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90. Joe Manchin is literally defying gravity, and is as "blue" as anything Dems will get from West Virg

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Manchin and Sinema are not centrist. [View all] BlueLucy Mar 2021 OP

Seems to me President Biden is to the left of President Obama so far. mucifer Mar 2021 #1

I kept telling the complainers that President Biden was going to be a big surprise yellowdogintexas Mar 2021 #36

Amen. Manchin seems to be exploiting his niche power Nixie Mar 2021 #2

Exactly! nt BlueLucy Mar 2021 #3

Manchin is a moderate. Sinema is actually left of center. TwilightZone Mar 2021 #4

Interesting. Thanks for these. Kinda goes with my post. LizBeth Mar 2021 #12

Sinema did not seem to act left of center in the past couple of weeks. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #48

Center among US politicians isn't the same as moderate. See post #63. Bonn1997 Mar 2021 #66

I knocked on hundreds of doors for Sinema grantcart Mar 2021 #70

I knocked on hundreds of doors for Sinema grantcart Mar 2021 #71

That graphing system needs a rework, because Trump was populist, Libertarians self-affecting. TheBlackAdder Mar 2021 #78

those charts (that specific site) are useless, I have seen them trotted out so often, they are way Celerity Mar 2021 #97

Secretary Clinton is a hard core liberal. lapucelle Mar 2021 #5

Thank you. A lot of effort went into convincing people she wasn't progressive. betsuni Mar 2021 #65

Joe Biden... lapucelle Mar 2021 #6

Unfortunately facts are not what some people perceive. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #18

Voters who "perceive" Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris as "centrist" and lapucelle Mar 2021 #23

Wherever we put them, beats having MAJORITY Leader McConnell. Hoyt Mar 2021 #7

Bingo! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #11

It's an obsession... quite the compulsion for many on the far left who hate him. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #8

the 'far left' is a derogative phrase used to denigrate people disagreed with bigtree Mar 2021 #14

It's all relative. What euphemism would you prefer? NurseJackie Mar 2021 #16

what these folks identify themselves as, of course bigtree Mar 2021 #20

That lacks illustrative clarity and precision with regard to making contrasts and comparisons... NurseJackie Mar 2021 #24

you're just insulting people you disagree with bigtree Mar 2021 #26

No it's not. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #29

you're trying to pigeonhole people into your own invented political box bigtree Mar 2021 #30

Lulz. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #31

+10000 Celerity Mar 2021 #98

A rose by any other name... Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #50

How about all of us just considering ourselves Democrats? George II Mar 2021 #54

If "far left" is deemed to be offensive, then "moderate" or "centrist" are offensive, too.... George II Mar 2021 #32

That's true. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #34

Or a "corporate Democrat." betsuni Mar 2021 #69

This. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #72

Heh. betsuni Mar 2021 #96

Ugh! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #77

Ridiculous: Us (grassroots, pure) vs Them (corporate, corrupt). betsuni Mar 2021 #84

When was the last time AOC self-described as "far left"? Sympthsical Mar 2021 #42

Who other than you mentioned her? And who are these "conservative Democrats who hate progressives"? George II Mar 2021 #45

I don't know any conservative democrats. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #68

AOC self-describes as a Democratic Socialist. ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #87

I disagree with your argument LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #91

the irony escapes you bigtree Mar 2021 #92

Do you understand that you are wrong in your anaylsis LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #94

It's a shame that the word "centrist" has become a pejorative. lapucelle Mar 2021 #15

You forgot "Conservadems" ... I see that one a lot. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #17

For contrast, here are Tom Cotton and Mitch McConnell...based on their voting records. lapucelle Mar 2021 #21

They are not conservative, they are bullies and crooks. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #49

I often see people with about the same voting records, yet one is progressive, the other centrist betsuni Mar 2021 #61

When the far left can get elected in WVA or Arizona then I will listen until then...we need a Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #43

Well, there you go again! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #52

Kamala Harris... lapucelle Mar 2021 #9

Harris is more progressive than Sanders. HRC is much more left than Biden and Obama. And LizBeth Mar 2021 #10

Yes but that is not what some on the left perceive. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #22

I am not going to pretend their lack of fact is a reality. I know there are far left with an LizBeth Mar 2021 #33

That is what I told folks during the primary. Biden was more left than Pres. Obama. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #44

I don't know what your definition is, but Manchin is definitely centrist -- in the middle. pnwmom Mar 2021 #55

Isn't that interesting. Thanks for the numbers. LizBeth Mar 2021 #62

"Harris is more progressive than Sanders." ? DTomlinson Mar 2021 #59

2016, 2017, 2019 I think. Sanders ranked 11th. 10 other Democratic Leaders ranked more progressive. LizBeth Mar 2021 #60

What exactly was the basis for this ranking, out of curiosity? Sanders is a democratic socialist. DTomlinson Mar 2021 #64

You gotta educate yourself. The info is out there. I did the reading. I am not going to go out LizBeth Mar 2021 #67

OK, so you refuse to back up your assertions with sources. Got it. DTomlinson Mar 2021 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author LizBeth Mar 2021 #81

I asked for a source, you refused. I'm not the who lacks interest here. DTomlinson Mar 2021 #83

They base it on voting records BlueLucy Mar 2021 #73

Progressive Punch lapucelle Mar 2021 #76

Thanks. DTomlinson Mar 2021 #80

You can look up the voting records of individual representatives and senators here. lapucelle Mar 2021 #89

They just voted for the most progressive piece of legislation in generations. Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #13

You are correct. Movement to the left doesn't not mean "leftist". KentuckyWoman Mar 2021 #19

No, Hillary is not "centrist." She's MODERATE LIBERAL, well left of center. Hortensis Mar 2021 #25

Thank you. betsuni Mar 2021 #74

interesting to me is how their phrasing seeks to define them apart from other Democrats bigtree Mar 2021 #27

The more extreme one is, the more extreme others seem to be. Kaleva Mar 2021 #28

The most important thing about both Sinema and Manchin is that they're DEMOCRATS! George II Mar 2021 #35

Thank you dianaredwing Mar 2021 #39

Centrist has at least two meanings based on the center of what andym Mar 2021 #37

Correct IMO if you look at it like this mvd Mar 2021 #38

That is exactly how I see it. BlueLucy Mar 2021 #58

Progressive Punch ranks Manchin overall at #50 in the Senate, voting with us 62% of the time. pnwmom Mar 2021 #40

+1000 I didn't know that...very interesting. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #46

At this point, I'm willing to call Biden a bold progressive. jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #41

They voted for the Covid bill exactly what have they done wrong...the minimum wage? It Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #47

I'm not "getting over" anything as long as millions of people are jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #51

I think it would be a lot easier and even likely BlueLucy Mar 2021 #57

They're Manchinist and Sinematic. Iggo Mar 2021 #53

Manchin and Sinema weren't the only ones who voted against the $15 minimum wage LeftInTX Mar 2021 #56

They are the mid point between a party of mostly sociopathic politicians and a party of moderates Bonn1997 Mar 2021 #63

They are in the middle of two parties who are largely skewed to the left and the right. nt pnwmom Mar 2021 #75

Manchin and Sinema BGBD Mar 2021 #82

I'll just say at times they both vote Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #86

Hillary explaining her "Alaska for America" idea: betsuni Mar 2021 #88

Joe Manchin is literally defying gravity, and is as "blue" as anything Dems will get from West Virg LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #90

This is silly. scipan Mar 2021 #93

+1. Their worldview is fundamentally conservative. radius777 Mar 2021 #95