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Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
20. That is a sucker's bet
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 02:05 PM
Sep 2021

Problem is that the very bills that Sinema and Manchin are standing in the way of, are critical to Biden's and the vast majority of the Democratic party's agenda.

These aren't just things that came off the top of Biden's head. These are things that have been negotiated, that have the support of Progressives and most moderates. Information available shows that opposition to the bills in both the House and Senate are being coordinated through Manchin at least. Sinema seems to just be a rouge operator at this time. The 9 moderates who were stalling the bill in the House were in communication with Manchin.

The Democratic Party is a big tent and there are always differences. As Will Rogers said, "I am not a member of any organized Political Party, I'm a Democrat".

This is not that. This is two Democrats who are completely blocking the two most critical pieces of legislation for their party, at a time when they are most likely to be able to pass them, in a time when politically, it would put forth the major ideological and policy difference between Republicans and Democrats and which would be the difference for campaigns in the 2022 AND likely 2024 elections.

It sure doesn't look like it. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2021 #1
They are committed to blocking it. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #2
They are getting paid to block it, only thing that makes sense. lark Sep 2021 #3
100% agree. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #4
Most likely explanation. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #15
JMHO sinema having gotten a vote of no confidence by AZ Dems, she will run in '24 as gqp PortTack Sep 2021 #17
She won't survive a Republican primary. temporary311 Sep 2021 #26
Exactly....add that to her being a bisexual woman. That's why she ran as a dem in the first place PortTack Oct 2021 #32
Crap, I hadn't thought of that. That would certainly explain a lot. lark Sep 2021 #29
I have no idea- they are both more complicated than they appear... TreasonousBastard Sep 2021 #5
Constituents. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #14
And something like 69% support the Voting Rights legislation Caliman73 Sep 2021 #19
In a state where Trump got 70% of the vote... BlueCheeseAgain Sep 2021 #23
But they do. They hate Dems, but elected Manchin. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #27
I'm willing to bet some other Democrats aren't committed to passing Joe Biden's agenda... brooklynite Sep 2021 #6
That is a sucker's bet Caliman73 Sep 2021 #20
Sinema is not showing loyalty to the people who voted for her. Walleye Sep 2021 #7
Herself. CrispyQ Sep 2021 #10
I feel the same. Manchin and Sinema feathering their nest for after they lose Walleye Sep 2021 #12
I'm willing to bet some other Democrats aren't committed to passing Joe Biden's agenda... brooklynite Sep 2021 #8
Working out differences is one thing Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #11
No Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #9
No Patton French Sep 2021 #13
Obviously, they are not. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #16
They want the BIF to pass qazplm135 Sep 2021 #18
Lawrence O'Donnell, who talks about congress each night, Hortensis Sep 2021 #21
+1 leftstreet Sep 2021 #30
Half and half BlueCheeseAgain Sep 2021 #22
Do you think Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema need to be committed 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #24
Manchin will commit, if anything that could be perceived as anti-coal is removed andym Sep 2021 #25
No. nt DLevine Sep 2021 #28
They are committed to obstructing it iemanja Sep 2021 #31
I look at their ages for clues DFW Oct 2021 #33
I think they are committed to lobbyists Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #34
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