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babylonsister

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Sun Oct 31, 2021, 10:59 AM Oct 2021

Josh Marshall: The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet [View all]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-damning-jan-6th-revelation-yet

The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet
New Emails Show Trump and Eastman Saw the Insurrectionists as the Foot Soldiers of the Coup. They Cheered Them on and Used Them in Real Time.
By Josh Marshall
October 30, 2021 11:58 a.m.

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The Post has emails – presumably emerging out of the committee investigation – of what happened during the insurrection. As the insurrectionists were storming the Capitol and Pence was holed up in a secure location as they hunted for him and members of Congress, Eastman emailed Pence and his top aide saying that the insurrection was Pence’s fault for not going through with the coup plot. With the President’s supporters ransacking the Capitol Eastman demanded Pence shift course and do the right thing.

These exchanges capture something we suspect and know in some way. But here we’re getting the details, the documentary evidence. Eastman didn’t recoil when the President’s rally escalated to violence. He clearly saw the inside coup plot and the insurrectionists on the street as part of the same effort. This isn’t surprising to most of us. The insurrectionists were laying siege to Pence in the Capitol because Pence wasn’t going along with the plan. And the answer was to go along with the plan. Eastman recognized the insurrection as the paramilitary wing of the coup plot he was part of and as the Capitol was under siege used it as a cudgel to force Pence’s hand.

Again, this won’t come to a shock to many of us. But here we’re getting the receipts. At least the first of them. To date the actions of Eastman, the President, his various coconspirators – during the hours of the assault on the Capitol – have largely been a black box even as we’ve learned more and more granular detail of the ransacking of the Capitol itself. We’ve had brief glimpses in reported accounts. There was the notorious phone call between Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Trump in which McCarthy demanded Trump call off his insurrectionists. Trump notoriously responded, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

In real time, Trump’s message was the same as Eastman’s. You brought it on yourself and they’re my guys. The way to lift the siege is to do the right thing and support the coup. They both recognized the insurrectionists as their foot soldiers and expressed as much in real time to the members of Congress under siege. And of course they did since they were their foot soldiers.

It’s hardly surprising that both Trump and Eastman were cheering on the assault on the Capitol in real time or seeing it in the same terms. They were part of the same war room. They were leading it. Directly or indirectly McCarthy was the source of those quotes from the conversation with the President. It was reportedly anger and expletive filled. Of course he later fell in line. Much of the resistance to the investigation was his effort not to be placed under oath to reveal what happened on that day and the fact that he resisted it.

These are only two glimpses of the real story of January 6th. The Committee seems serious about getting the whole story.
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Trump & Eastman to Pence, "The way to lift the siege is to do the right thing and support the coup." Botany Oct 2021 #1
I second. planetc Oct 2021 #3
THIS malaise Oct 2021 #4
You're darned right he does! Chains for both of them. PatrickforB Oct 2021 #6
M$Greedia really needs to call these traitors what they are malaise Oct 2021 #13
So true. The corporate media seems disappointed the fascist insurrection didn't pan out. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #24
+1,000 malaise Oct 2021 #28
It would save them a lot of time, money, and trouble EYESORE 9001 Nov 2021 #70
Barr and Pompeo are Dominionists. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #53
Dominionists are terrifying. ShazzieB Oct 2021 #60
Yup! Eom LittleGirl Oct 2021 #15
🤜🤛 Traildogbob Oct 2021 #19
Agree with everything except the lengthy imprisonment part jmowreader Oct 2021 #23
Truth. Delphinus Oct 2021 #32
the Rosenberg remedy. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #54
If they are dead I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #66
I have the perfect place jmowreader Nov 2021 #68
Well said. And Garland is so strong warrants will be issued in a few hours... Justice matters. Oct 2021 #31
Exactly! ...nt 2naSalit Oct 2021 #47
So the foot soldiers were leveredge to wnylib Oct 2021 #58
The unrepentant criminal and his thugs gademocrat7 Oct 2021 #2
As we get closer and closer to the top you wonder what will happen. plimsoll Oct 2021 #5
Democracy's future is riding on a whole lotta "hope" FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #36
Think of what a hell hole this country would be right now if these assholes had succeeded Ohioboy Oct 2021 #7
"Think of the hell hole it will eventually be if we don't prosecute and convict them." Botany Oct 2021 #9
Absolutely correct MiHale Oct 2021 #25
THIS KPN Oct 2021 #18
Ohio, DENVERPOPS Oct 2021 #59
Unfortunately... RevBrotherThomas Nov 2021 #72
I think back to the early 19th, late 18th century.... paleotn Oct 2021 #8
We hung all the people that helped John Wilkes Booth in less then 3 months after Lincoln .... Botany Oct 2021 #52
Progress better be made before 1/1/23 oldsoftie Oct 2021 #10
This should not have to go through the select committee, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #11
Maybe they are sending it? Maybe the two are KPN Oct 2021 #20
I'll believe it when I see it. Sorry, I am just not confident. HUAJIAO Oct 2021 #46
Garland needs to prosecute or get off the pot. Girard442 Oct 2021 #12
He does need to receive the evidence first and the Select malaise Oct 2021 #14
Bush's Grandpa Didn't Go To Jail DanieRains Oct 2021 #16
Right! RVN VET71 Oct 2021 #34
We need to be prepared for right wing violence when the indictments come. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #43
I live in a fairly anti-fascist safe zone RVN VET71 Nov 2021 #71
And trump Traildogbob Oct 2021 #17
I'm sure there is some reluctance to prosecute a former president Bayard Oct 2021 #21
"not going through with the coup plot" bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #22
I'm vaguely impressed with Pence for not giving in. yardwork Oct 2021 #26
It was Dan Quayle who convinced him he had no power to do what they asked of him. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #55
Who would have guessed? yardwork Oct 2021 #57
A need to stop the whats taking so long for the DOJ to act whining. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #27
they seemed to think the old smoke filled rooms were still a thing. mopinko Oct 2021 #29
Orders had to come from the very top... MiHale Oct 2021 #30
This really clarifies why Trump didn't call off his troops earlier. halfulglas Oct 2021 #33
They tried to turn the chaos and violence to their advantage, instead of Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #35
Is Garland delaying things to put the SOB in jail? That is what I am afraid of, Muller was a Escurumbele Oct 2021 #39
Yep, if they get away with this, they'll get away with whatever is coming in the future. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #42
They built the lynch mod and sent it to kill congress. They expected far worse violence. Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #45
One thing that is not being talked about enough is the fact that they had prepared transportation Escurumbele Oct 2021 #37
The same people who rented the busses managed their distribution on the day. Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #48
Fascists won. Republican/Nazis will never suffer justice. johnthewoodworker Oct 2021 #38
Federal law against insurrection vlyons Oct 2021 #40
So Was This A Topic On Meet The Press Today? DallasNE Oct 2021 #41
How many young American lives have been lost in wars to "SAVE OUR COUNTRY OUR WAY OF LIFE"? usaf-vet Oct 2021 #44
The Republican evil plot against the USA is political raw sewage Champp Oct 2021 #49
The WORLD is watching us - they need to see how we handle it FakeNoose Oct 2021 #50
Eastman needs to be disbarred and prosecuted LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #51
Lock these people up mr. garland RANDYWILDMAN Oct 2021 #56
Question, can't someone be arrested for a crime kacekwl Oct 2021 #61
Funny thing is that their messiah jimlup Oct 2021 #62
I'm perplexed - but ultimately relieved, of course - that the insurrectionists... BobTheSubgenius Oct 2021 #63
Link to the WaPo article, no paywall.... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #65
These are serious crimes. If you or I did this... lees1975 Oct 2021 #67
K&R spanone Nov 2021 #69
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