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AngryOldDem

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41. This is difficult.

Fri Dec 3, 2021, 05:54 PM

Dec 2021

All signs point to family dysfunction on a massive scale.

While I agree that the average 15-year-old knows that taking a life is wrong, there’s a lot here that we still don’t know that could mitigate what we think right now should be done.

All of this discussion now, really, is pointless and will only lead to arguments until a thorough psych exam on this kid is done. If he was legally sane at the time, prosecute as an adult. Not sane? Treatment facility until he’s 21.

But go after the parents to the fullest extent. 99% of the blame lies with them.

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Do you agree that Ethan Crumbly should be charged as an adult? [View all] iemanja Dec 2021 OP

I'd like to see a comprehensive psych assessment from multiple experts--including those hlthe2b Dec 2021 #1

Yes, good so GusBob Dec 2021 #2

It could be mitigating on sentencing, but he still faces trial. Could it affect the verdict? Sure hlthe2b Dec 2021 #6

Interesting and what if GusBob Dec 2021 #13

I agree with that. nt iemanja Dec 2021 #3

That would be a good thing in the pursuit of justice. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #16

I'm not sure. He may have been manipulated/warped by his parents Wingus Dingus Dec 2021 #4

Is he an adult? eShirl Dec 2021 #5

He's 15 iemanja Dec 2021 #7

In a previous life, on 3-4 occasions, i was a courier of psychological evaluations to a judge Tetrachloride Dec 2021 #8

No, I don't. But I don't think he should ever get out, either. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #9

juveniles can't be sentenced to life iemanja Dec 2021 #11

Well, I'm not sure, then. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #18

Yes. Whether he can plead insanity or diminished capacity is a separate question. Klaralven Dec 2021 #10

15-year old brains are not adult brains VMA131Marine Dec 2021 #12

Not true inthewind21 Dec 2021 #32

That is a simplistic view and it's not supported VMA131Marine Dec 2021 #34

Not so easy ... dumbcat Dec 2021 #47

If we ever begin trying adults as juveniles as well, I'll reassess my no vote. Torchlight Dec 2021 #14

Right now, yes. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #15

We don't have it but if we did I would vote for it in his case if I were on the jury. roamer65 Dec 2021 #22

It's fucking ridiculous, he's not an adult, Stupid fucking law USALiberal Dec 2021 #17

+1 nt berniesandersmittens Dec 2021 #45

I need a lot more info to have a solid opinion on this. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #19

Well... Mike Nelson Dec 2021 #20

No kid should. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #21

No. He's too young. Blue_playwright Dec 2021 #23

I totally disagree. Even at 15 you know that, " YOU SHOULD NOT KILL"...Don't You? I did. Stuart G Dec 2021 #39

This is difficult. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #41

Well said. crickets Dec 2021 #43

Dang it.......I don't think so......isn't there something in between?? a kennedy Dec 2021 #24

The question I always ask is: hamsterjill Dec 2021 #25

I know I don't want him to get out of prison anytime soon. dchill Dec 2021 #26

For how long can a juvenile be sentenced in Michigan? Poiuyt Dec 2021 #27

I think so iemanja Dec 2021 #28

I agree. There was something very wrong going on in that family. patphil Dec 2021 #29

It is simple, he is not an adult. BeckyDem Dec 2021 #30

The problem is pinkstarburst Dec 2021 #31

15 is well past old enough to know right from wrong inthewind21 Dec 2021 #35

He talked about the voices in his head iemanja Dec 2021 #36

No. 15 is not an adult. In fact a great deal of development happens between 15 and 18. Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #33

I don't know. I do know that I think adults Crunchy Frog Dec 2021 #37

Is a 15-year-old pregnant girl an adult? Walleye Dec 2021 #38

He's white. Is that even legal? 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #40

I can see his ending up in a psych facility iemanja Dec 2021 #42

No. I do not berniesandersmittens Dec 2021 #44

I do not feel that he should be charged as an adult. But if he were convicted then I think he totodeinhere Dec 2021 #46