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KPN

(15,629 posts)
47. "Negotiations are possible, pressuring or punishing them is not." Maybe, maybe not.
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jan 2022

Have we tried or even hinted at the latter?

I'll be frank with you. In my view, acting on "good stuff in it" thinking is a larger part of what has put us (us being middle and working class) in the socio-economic position we find ourselves in today -- unaffordable education, unaffordable health care, gross inequity in income distribution, millions of adult children living with their parents, many millions more needing to live with multiple room-mates in order to afford rent, the average adult today not being able to see a comfortable retirement future for themselves and all of the social problems and, yes, hatreds, that go along with those things.

So all of that plus, of course, the current threats to basic democracy and of potential right-wing authoritarian governance make Manchin and Sinema pretty damned frustrating.

As for M and S taking "a walk to to the GOP side" maybe they'd become I's instead in which case they could choose who to caucus with; and maybe they'd choose to caucus with Ds. Or maybe they wouldn't walk at all?

There's a lot of venting going on here at DU. Venting has a role to play in personal well-being. But that aside, as a consistent Democratic Party voter up and down the line for 50 years now, I'm entitled to my views on what position the Ds should take. And I should be able to state them without ridicule as some here at DU tend to do in response to those of us who are frustrated over what frankly has been a 50 year backslide in economic well-being of the middle and working class; a backslide that seems too-often related to a tendency to settle for less, triangulating and/or an overly cautious mindset when it comes to playing hardball.

Damn right elleng Jan 2022 #1
What consequences? Go sit in the corner? Time out? That's ridiculous. Find ways to make deals. LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #8
You mean pay them more than what they're getting elsewhere? KPN Jan 2022 #12
What sort of punishment do you envision? As if "consequences" are going to help. LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #22
And inthewind21 Jan 2022 #48
would he like them flogged? Takket Jan 2022 #2
There's always jaysunb Jan 2022 #5
"Russia" ! won't be that for to mail a check ! monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #11
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #31
The executive branch has all kinds of tools that KPN Jan 2022 #14
That means continuing NEGOTIATIONS and not punishing them which will only worsen the situation. LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #23
Only if the other party negotiates in good faith can you negotiate. If not, KPN Jan 2022 #35
And Sinema and Manchin take a walk to the GOP side and we lose the majority immediately. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #43
"Negotiations are possible, pressuring or punishing them is not." Maybe, maybe not. KPN Jan 2022 #47
Tell me inthewind21 Jan 2022 #49
What can be done really? Sinema will face a primary challenger and AZ Dems are thinking of PortTack Jan 2022 #3
I donated when she ran for the Senate. Won't be making that mistake again. calimary Jan 2022 #17
I've gotta feelin Bernie will find a way. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2022 #4
By blaming Dems for people voting for Trump? LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #7
I doubt it. TexasTowelie Jan 2022 #13
Find a way to do what? Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #44
Bernie has spoken... bring it Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2022 #51
What "consequences" will get them to change? You don't punish. You deal. No punishment will work. LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #6
"consequences" are for poor people anyway ck4829 Jan 2022 #41
Nina Turner sezBiden needs to "gas up his jet" go to WV & AZ and move oasis Jan 2022 #9
I'm certain that Biden pays a lot of attention to Nina Turner for political advice. TexasTowelie Jan 2022 #15
I'm just glad a public figure is finally putting those two on blast. oasis Jan 2022 #16
But putting them on blast isn't going to help. It will only worsen things. You never get what you LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #24
Oh boy msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #32
Defeated in run for Marcia Fudge's vacated congressional seat in Ohio. nt oasis Jan 2022 #34
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #37
Doubt Senators from AZ and WVA care much onenote Jan 2022 #10
"Prison?" PatrickforB asked hopefully... n/t PatrickforB Jan 2022 #18
.... KPN Jan 2022 #36
Their political careers, as "Democrats", must end Blue Owl Jan 2022 #19
Oh that is a great idea and then McConnell is back in charge. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #29
Newsflash inthewind21 Jan 2022 #50
God no, I will take them 100 times over handing the Senate to McConnell...check out the states Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #45
Am *there* now. UTUSN Jan 2022 #20
Sinema is finished. radius777 Jan 2022 #21
If Ruben Gallego runs against Sinema in the 2024 AZ Dem Senate primary, he will crush her. Celerity Jan 2022 #25
+1 Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #28
+1. Those colors were shown a long time ago. radius777 Jan 2022 #39
That is not true...I believe firmly in voting rights but I can count and there are not enough votes. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #46
That is simply untrue...a GOP is just as likely to win...maybe more so since the state is playing Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #30
Of course it's a toss up state, that's what a purple state is. radius777 Jan 2022 #38
+1 Celerity Jan 2022 #40
In a midterm, it will be dicey. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #42
The entire concept of democracy would change... LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #26
All they care about is how deep your pockets are! Emile Jan 2022 #27
The punishment will be applied to the citizens of Arizona and West Virginia, not their Senators Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #33
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