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WarGamer

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Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:31 PM Mar 2022

Those who are "enthusiastic" for war... [View all]

The risk of a nuclear exchange is of course the total nightmare...

But there's more.

Last year Russia successfully fired the Tsirkon ASM missile from a submarine.

What does that mean, what's a Tsirkon?

It's a hypersonic anti-ship missile with a range of 1000km and is *probably not defensible.

So that means... a Russian sub could fire the missile within 1000km of a US carrier group and sink a US carrier with 5000 crew onboard.

And there's probably nothing anyone could do to stop it.

So set up that no-fly zone... shoot down a few Russian jets... what's the escalation look like?

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I don't think anyone wants WW3 or likes escalation Hav Mar 2022 #1
+1. And I don't trust such people radius777 Mar 2022 #8
so, what you are saying (in almost every post) lapfog_1 Mar 2022 #2
No one wants any of this Meowmee Mar 2022 #3
Maximum pressure short of military intervention. WarGamer Mar 2022 #15
That while it is good Meowmee Mar 2022 #20
We are bound by treaty to repond with military force. WarGamer Mar 2022 #29
How about someone eliminates p from the equation first Meowmee Mar 2022 #37
Thanks Tim Papa-Ron Mar 2022 #50
Doesn't matter that their nukes are unstoppable. MAD may be tested sooner rather than later andym Mar 2022 #4
The Tsirkon isn't nuclear WarGamer Mar 2022 #30
That's not my point. My point is that nuclear brinkmanship is definitely on the table for Vlad. andym Mar 2022 #45
Those who are "enthusiastic" about war mostly MineralMan Mar 2022 #5
+1 2naSalit Mar 2022 #6
+1000 BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #11
Nailed it. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #12
+1000 nt WarGamer Mar 2022 #16
And you know it all huh? boston bean Mar 2022 #42
Nope. Others agree with me, though, as you can see. MineralMan Mar 2022 #44
And others agree with people other than you. People with the same amount of what you know. boston bean Mar 2022 #46
Yes. It's complicated, isn't it? MineralMan Mar 2022 #48
Thank you. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #51
You're more than welcome. MineralMan Mar 2022 #52
I will continue to state my opinions on a message board that's purpose is to state opinions on boston bean Mar 2022 #53
LOL! OK. MineralMan Mar 2022 #54
Only when you continually do this. Yeah I do have an opinion about it. boston bean Mar 2022 #55
Continually do what? Please do go on... MineralMan Mar 2022 #56
You know. I have made myself extremely clear. boston bean Mar 2022 #57
No, just more than you. Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #47
An ICBM is hypersonic just like the Tsirkon. Eko Mar 2022 #7
Tested a missile is not the same as in service EX500rider Mar 2022 #9
Once again, who is calling for war? Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #10
All the people asking for military intervention. WarGamer Mar 2022 #17
Dude, your concern is noted. radius777 Mar 2022 #13
How about pro-peace? That used to be a progressive value. WarGamer Mar 2022 #18
Should we surrender and let Putin have his way? Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #21
see reply 15 WarGamer Mar 2022 #22
We all prefer peace but some also like peace for others Hav Mar 2022 #26
Peace is different from appeasement. radius777 Mar 2022 #27
Defence of the oppressed and innocent is another value Kaleva Mar 2022 #34
Why hell, why not surrender now!? Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #14
see reply 15 WarGamer Mar 2022 #19
Irrelevant Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #28
that's ridiculous. WarGamer Mar 2022 #31
We share a common opinion of each other. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #33
BTW my opinion is consistent with that of President Biden and the Administration WarGamer Mar 2022 #35
The people of Ukraine. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #36
Well said! bluewater Mar 2022 #59
The armchair quarterbacks mcar Mar 2022 #23
President Biden says no US military intervention. WarGamer Mar 2022 #24
Yep. mcar Mar 2022 #25
For now Red Mountain Mar 2022 #38
This thread was bonkers from the get go. CrackityJones75 Mar 2022 #32
When it's too late to stop fascism. JasonMain Mar 2022 #39
Straw man. Haven't seen any "enthusiasm". Just spitballing what Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #40
Exactly. Straw man. Wanting to help the Ukrainian people isn't pro-war. FSogol Mar 2022 #43
Gimme a break. Enthusiastic. Hogwash. boston bean Mar 2022 #41
Go hide in your war game. denbot Mar 2022 #49
Time. hamsterjill Mar 2022 #58
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