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Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:14 PM

drray23 (7,150 posts)

39. yes true.

One thing I am bit more optimistic about is the degree of non readiness Putin nuclear arsenal might be in. If the performance of his conventional forces are any indication, the Russian military is in deep shit.

It's very costly to maintain a functional nuclear force. I have no doubts France, Britain and the US have. It may be that Putin's arsenal is in bad shape and our Intel knows it .

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102 replies	Author	Time	Post
Does anyone really think that NATO will risk a nuclear holocaust if Russia were [View all]	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	OP
exactly.	drray23	Mar 2022	#1
You are wrong.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#3
You are wrong. . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Mar 2022	#7
2 words for you,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#12
I guess that a cogent argument. nt.	drray23	Mar 2022	#14
Your whole argument is bullshit, you've been pushing this crap lately,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#21
I hope they do	drray23	Mar 2022	#24
When Russia threatened France a few days ago,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#30
yes true.	drray23	Mar 2022	#39
All very good points,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#43
Many NATO countries are also nuclear powers	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#32
Exactly. And that why it would be a holocaust.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#35
Well that may happen.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#40
....	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#54
Cockroaches are already sentient. Just not very much. Beware of binary thinking.	Bernardo de La Paz	Mar 2022	#89
+1. Kremlin propaganda is everywhere lately.	radius777	Mar 2022	#75
+100. nt	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#77
No way.	Elessar Zappa	Mar 2022	#20
If Putin attacks any NATO member they will defend them	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#2
No wonder the Doomsday Clock is now set at 100 seconds to midnight. n/t	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#6
Maybe so. But Putin knows NATO means business.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#10
seems slow	eShirl	Mar 2022	#46
Agreed. I would have it set at one second to midnight if it were up to me. n/t	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#100
Because we are willing to defend ourselves?	Happy Hoosier	Mar 2022	#66
We should just surrender now....	TheRealNorth	Mar 2022	#87
It was set at 100 seconds to midnight on January 20th.	Jedi Guy	Mar 2022	#93
We all know about article 5. But would you consider taking a chance on being	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#17
So you arguing that NATO countries would sacrifice other NATO members?	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#23
I don't know exactly what NATO would do.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#38
Article 5 does NOT mean that we nuke Moscow if Russia attacks a NATO country.	LudwigPastorius	Mar 2022	#63
Of course. But a conventional response to a Russian attack could cause Putin	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#65
He may have threatened it,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#71
That's really our best hope for survival, honestly.	Jedi Guy	Mar 2022	#97
Absolutely NATO would respond because...	Justice matters.	Mar 2022	#72
I think that you bet wrong, but it would do no good to win that bet.	Dan	Mar 2022	#4
All depends on how his Ukraine adventure turns out	calguy	Mar 2022	#5
That's a fool's bet.	WheelWalker	Mar 2022	#8
Sorry for acting like a fool, but I do not want to see a thermonuclear war.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#22
He may try to order a nuclear strike,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#37
I hope that someone would stop Putin, but I don't know if I want to	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#99
The	inthewind21	Mar 2022	#98
Over the many years I have been on DU I have made similar comments.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#102
NATO would respond with overwhelming conventional force	NickB79	Mar 2022	#9
I think NATO will react quickly and decisively to any attack on member nations	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#11
I worry because the fighter jets are being dispatched from Poland	Walleye	Mar 2022	#13
NATO will respond.	EndlessWire	Mar 2022	#15
nothing apparently.	drray23	Mar 2022	#19
It looks like the OP is arguing that NATO should not respond if Putin invades a NATO country.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#29
I think he is worried as I am to a degree	drray23	Mar 2022	#33
The escalation from conventional to nuclear war may indeed trigger a response.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#27
Fallout from a small tactical nuke would probably be limited.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#34
Your concern is noted.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#45
Why are you helping Putin push his nuclear threats?	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#16
Oh come on. I doubt if there is any chance whatsoever that Putin will read my	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#26
If they dont respond, it's the end of NATO	Beastly Boy	Mar 2022	#18
+1000 NATO literally has one function. If it doesn't do its job, NATO is doomed,	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#25
A nuclear war would probably also mean the end of NATO. n/t	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#28
Continuing to appease a Putin that is willing	Hav	Mar 2022	#69
No more and no less than an end to Moscow as well nt	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#70
Not really. NATO is well prepared to win such a war,	radius777	Mar 2022	#85
Probably. But repelling agression would not.	Beastly Boy	Mar 2022	#90
There's No Risk, Putin is Full of Shit and He Will be Erased from Existence if he Attacks a NATO	Beetwasher.	Mar 2022	#31
Actually NATO is ill equipped to respond to a Russian attack.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#41
The US is a NATO member and we spend what the next 10 countries do COMBINED	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#42
Yes, but it would take months for us to move substantial military force to	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#48
Too late for what?	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#49
I would imagine we have bases of some sort	Mr.Bill	Mar 2022	#94
How long do you think it would take to fly a squadron of bomber jets from the US to the Baltics?	Crunchy Frog	Mar 2022	#88
US + allies: 1.04 trillion. Russia: 0.07 trillion	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#51
"The US Army is preparing to fight in Europe, but can it even get there?"	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#56
Awesome; you're really on a roll with the concerns there.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#57
Not true.	Elessar Zappa	Mar 2022	#52
You are fooling yourself.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#62
Bullshit	Beetwasher.	Mar 2022	#59
With the Ukraine Invasion, NATO Is Suddenly Vulnerable	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#64
Concern Noted LOL	Beetwasher.	Mar 2022	#68
Corollary: with the Ukraine Invasion, Russia is vulnerable.	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#73
NATO is more united and stronger than ever.	radius777	Mar 2022	#86
Why do you have	sarisataka	Mar 2022	#36
Biden is only one NATO leader.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#44
And you have yet another concern.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#55
whats wrong with analyzing possible bad scenarios ?	drray23	Mar 2022	#61
What NATO countries would back out?	sarisataka	Mar 2022	#80
Apparently wishful thinking.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#47
Oh come on. I didn't say that I wish for Biden to be out	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#50
Nicolae Ceaușescu was not limited to two terms as well.	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#74
I hope that Putin has the same fate as Ceaușescu.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#101
I bet Putin is thinking...	AntiFascist	Mar 2022	#53
He may believe that fantasy,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#60
I feel like NATO will be happy to follow the US into a war. If they didn't	flying_wahini	Mar 2022	#58
I wouldn't use the word "happy", but willing, yes. n/t	Mr.Bill	Mar 2022	#95
What's to prevent him from demanding he become our president if he threatens to nuke us if we don't	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2022	#67
Or even worse, demands Trump be president.	Mr.Bill	Mar 2022	#96
They will risk it. NO doubt. Nuclear brinkmanship as last seen during the Cuban Missile Crisis	andym	Mar 2022	#76
NATO is the defense force of Western civilization.	radius777	Mar 2022	#78
you are wrong	Skittles	Mar 2022	#79
While I don't know what would happen,	Music Man	Mar 2022	#81
So Putin is free to invade France and the UK?	Irish_Dem	Mar 2022	#82
It doesn't matter so much what Putin thinks	Fiendish Thingy	Mar 2022	#83
I don't think that Putin wants WWIII with all of its nuclear implications	Chainfire	Mar 2022	#84
So we let Putin rule the world?	hamsterjill	Mar 2022	#91
Absolutely. An attack on a NATO country would be met with overwhelming conventional force.	Crunchy Frog	Mar 2022	#92

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