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MarineCombatEngineer

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43. All very good points,

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:18 PM

Mar 2022

and something else to consider, something I haven't seen discussed too much here, with all the extremely accurate intelligence we're getting, I'll bet dollars to donuts that the CIA, or another western intelligence agency has a high level mole in Putin's inner circle feeding intelligence to us.

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Does anyone really think that NATO will risk a nuclear holocaust if Russia were [View all] totodeinhere Mar 2022 OP

exactly. drray23 Mar 2022 #1

You are wrong. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #3

You are wrong. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #7

2 words for you, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #12

I guess that a cogent argument. nt. drray23 Mar 2022 #14

Your whole argument is bullshit, you've been pushing this crap lately, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #21

I hope they do drray23 Mar 2022 #24

When Russia threatened France a few days ago, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #30

yes true. drray23 Mar 2022 #39

All very good points, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #43

Many NATO countries are also nuclear powers SoonerPride Mar 2022 #32

Exactly. And that why it would be a holocaust. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #35

Well that may happen. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #40

.... MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #54

Cockroaches are already sentient. Just not very much. Beware of binary thinking. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #89

+1. Kremlin propaganda is everywhere lately. radius777 Mar 2022 #75

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #77

No way. Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #20

If Putin attacks any NATO member they will defend them SoonerPride Mar 2022 #2

No wonder the Doomsday Clock is now set at 100 seconds to midnight. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2022 #6

Maybe so. But Putin knows NATO means business. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #10

seems slow eShirl Mar 2022 #46

Agreed. I would have it set at one second to midnight if it were up to me. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2022 #100

Because we are willing to defend ourselves? Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #66

We should just surrender now.... TheRealNorth Mar 2022 #87

It was set at 100 seconds to midnight on January 20th. Jedi Guy Mar 2022 #93

We all know about article 5. But would you consider taking a chance on being totodeinhere Mar 2022 #17

So you arguing that NATO countries would sacrifice other NATO members? SoonerPride Mar 2022 #23

I don't know exactly what NATO would do. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #38

Article 5 does NOT mean that we nuke Moscow if Russia attacks a NATO country. LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #63

Of course. But a conventional response to a Russian attack could cause Putin totodeinhere Mar 2022 #65

He may have threatened it, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #71

That's really our best hope for survival, honestly. Jedi Guy Mar 2022 #97

Absolutely NATO would respond because... Justice matters. Mar 2022 #72

I think that you bet wrong, but it would do no good to win that bet. Dan Mar 2022 #4

All depends on how his Ukraine adventure turns out calguy Mar 2022 #5

That's a fool's bet. WheelWalker Mar 2022 #8

Sorry for acting like a fool, but I do not want to see a thermonuclear war. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #22

He may try to order a nuclear strike, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #37

I hope that someone would stop Putin, but I don't know if I want to totodeinhere Mar 2022 #99

The inthewind21 Mar 2022 #98

Over the many years I have been on DU I have made similar comments. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #102

NATO would respond with overwhelming conventional force NickB79 Mar 2022 #9

I think NATO will react quickly and decisively to any attack on member nations Torchlight Mar 2022 #11

I worry because the fighter jets are being dispatched from Poland Walleye Mar 2022 #13

NATO will respond. EndlessWire Mar 2022 #15

nothing apparently. drray23 Mar 2022 #19

It looks like the OP is arguing that NATO should not respond if Putin invades a NATO country. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #29

I think he is worried as I am to a degree drray23 Mar 2022 #33

The escalation from conventional to nuclear war may indeed trigger a response. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #27

Fallout from a small tactical nuke would probably be limited. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #34

Your concern is noted. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #45

Why are you helping Putin push his nuclear threats? lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #16

Oh come on. I doubt if there is any chance whatsoever that Putin will read my totodeinhere Mar 2022 #26

If they dont respond, it's the end of NATO Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #18

+1000 NATO literally has one function. If it doesn't do its job, NATO is doomed, lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #25

A nuclear war would probably also mean the end of NATO. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2022 #28

Continuing to appease a Putin that is willing Hav Mar 2022 #69

No more and no less than an end to Moscow as well nt Torchlight Mar 2022 #70

Not really. NATO is well prepared to win such a war, radius777 Mar 2022 #85

Probably. But repelling agression would not. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #90

There's No Risk, Putin is Full of Shit and He Will be Erased from Existence if he Attacks a NATO Beetwasher. Mar 2022 #31

Actually NATO is ill equipped to respond to a Russian attack. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #41

The US is a NATO member and we spend what the next 10 countries do COMBINED SoonerPride Mar 2022 #42

Yes, but it would take months for us to move substantial military force to totodeinhere Mar 2022 #48

Too late for what? SoonerPride Mar 2022 #49

I would imagine we have bases of some sort Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #94

How long do you think it would take to fly a squadron of bomber jets from the US to the Baltics? Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #88

US + allies: 1.04 trillion. Russia: 0.07 trillion lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #51

"The US Army is preparing to fight in Europe, but can it even get there?" totodeinhere Mar 2022 #56

Awesome; you're really on a roll with the concerns there. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #57

Not true. Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #52

You are fooling yourself. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #62

Bullshit Beetwasher. Mar 2022 #59

With the Ukraine Invasion, NATO Is Suddenly Vulnerable totodeinhere Mar 2022 #64

Concern Noted LOL Beetwasher. Mar 2022 #68

Corollary: with the Ukraine Invasion, Russia *is* vulnerable. Torchlight Mar 2022 #73

NATO is more united and stronger than ever. radius777 Mar 2022 #86

Why do you have sarisataka Mar 2022 #36

Biden is only one NATO leader. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #44

And you have yet another concern. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #55

whats wrong with analyzing possible bad scenarios ? drray23 Mar 2022 #61

What NATO countries would back out? sarisataka Mar 2022 #80

Apparently wishful thinking. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #47

Oh come on. I didn't say that I wish for Biden to be out totodeinhere Mar 2022 #50

Nicolae Ceaușescu was not limited to two terms as well. Torchlight Mar 2022 #74

I hope that Putin has the same fate as Ceaușescu. totodeinhere Mar 2022 #101

I bet Putin is thinking... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #53

He may believe that fantasy, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #60

I feel like NATO will be happy to follow the US into a war. If they didn't flying_wahini Mar 2022 #58

I wouldn't use the word "happy", but willing, yes. n/t Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #95

What's to prevent him from demanding he become our president if he threatens to nuke us if we don't DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #67

Or even worse, demands Trump be president. Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #96

They will risk it. NO doubt. Nuclear brinkmanship as last seen during the Cuban Missile Crisis andym Mar 2022 #76

NATO is the defense force of Western civilization. radius777 Mar 2022 #78

you are wrong Skittles Mar 2022 #79

While I don't know what would happen, Music Man Mar 2022 #81

So Putin is free to invade France and the UK? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #82

It doesn't matter so much what Putin thinks Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #83

I don't think that Putin wants WWIII with all of its nuclear implications Chainfire Mar 2022 #84

So we let Putin rule the world? hamsterjill Mar 2022 #91

Absolutely. An attack on a NATO country would be met with overwhelming conventional force. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #92