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Zeitghost

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61. Germany has major issues

Thu Mar 2, 2023, 01:04 PM

Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 2, 2023, 01:39 PM - Edit history (1)

The first is demographics. It is quickly aging and does not have the working population to support retirees long term. Immigration can help, but the demographic pyramid is already inverted in Germany and there are not enough young and mature workers to support the rapidly growing number of elderly. https://www.populationpyramid.net/germany/2021/

The second is energy. The German manufacturing model is based on cheap energy from Russia and highly skilled value added workers. The cheap energy from Russia is gone and the workers are retiring.

It will be a mess by the end of the decade (faster if the Ukraine situation is not resolved).

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What China's Collapsing Birth Rate Tells Us [View all] applegrove Mar 2023 OP

Holy Shit. vanlassie Mar 2023 #1

Children are a high priced showpiece in an urban society. roamer65 Mar 2023 #2

most of my high paid well educated colleagues only have one kid. BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2023 #16

This is it exactly. Same here. SunSeeker Mar 2023 #31

This is a good thing doubleplusgood Mar 2023 #3

+1000. This ☝️☝️☝️ roamer65 Mar 2023 #4

I know. ananda Mar 2023 #5

This planet is overpopulated gay texan Mar 2023 #6

High population growth is the life blood of global capitalism Yavin4 Mar 2023 #7

Robots can and probably will. Justice matters. Mar 2023 #32

Their robots creep me out and dance better then I do at the same time irisblue Mar 2023 #60

+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #14

Agree completely. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #18

Yep. Humans are parasites, destroying their host. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #22

Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #25

+1 Xoan Mar 2023 #27

It's a bad thing to our global economic system NickB79 Mar 2023 #33

Dr. Herman Daly and Hazel Henderson were two voices for a steady-state economic system yonder Mar 2023 #54

It's a good thing Zeitghost Mar 2023 #36

Germany will definitely NOT follow DFW Mar 2023 #57

Germany has major issues Zeitghost Mar 2023 #61

Correct to some degree on all, counts, except for the mess by the end of the decade. DFW Mar 2023 #64

Someone has to pay to support elderly retired people IronLionZion Mar 2023 #38

It says it is a bad thing for China/communism... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2023 #45

Totally agree. LiberalFighter Mar 2023 #63

Can't agree with the last sentence that was excertped. Igel Mar 2023 #8

The article this is based on is actually very interesting Renew Deal Mar 2023 #9

Well losing over 1 million or more population with COVID ...... Lovie777 Mar 2023 #10

A single decree from Xi and they'd triple their birth rate in 24 months... WarGamer Mar 2023 #11

What would the decree be? Renew Deal Mar 2023 #12

reproduce successfully? WarGamer Mar 2023 #13

The problem Zeitghost Mar 2023 #40

No. China is very rapidly going to shift to an aging population with no chance of in-migration. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2023 #46

Absoultely incorrect. Children here in China are expensive, the cost of childbirth is solely on the AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #49

So if Xi were to order people to have more kids... everyone would ignore it. OK. WarGamer Mar 2023 #55

Actually, yes. But don't let my living here since 2008 except for two years minimized your AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #56

Lots of people ignored the One Child Policy. meadowlander Mar 2023 #59

A ban on contraception and abortion to start? Disaffected Mar 2023 #15

Won't happen here. Abortion services are advertised on bus side ads here. AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #50

While the Chinese decree to cut the birth rate was very effective (too effective, apparently)... Silent3 Mar 2023 #17

While I haven't worked there in more than 10 years... WarGamer Mar 2023 #21

I'll grant you that you have more personal insight into this than I can have... Silent3 Mar 2023 #26

The CCP does seem to like setting quotas. subterranean Mar 2023 #19

I think they've been trying to reverse the damage done by the one child policy XorXor Mar 2023 #53

China, Korea, Japan all have very low birth rates right now, well below replacement rate Silent3 Mar 2023 #20

Also, climate change is scaring the crap out of young people, as well it should. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #24

I kind of feel like the relationship between affluence and fertility is shaped like a U. StevieM Mar 2023 #28

I think these days even wealthy people aren't strongly driven raise large numbers of children Silent3 Mar 2023 #34

This is a direct result of China's One Child policy. Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #23

Holy incel! nt ecstatic Mar 2023 #48

Also several generations were raised on propaganda that it was immoral to have more than one child meadowlander Mar 2023 #58

Also, a result of them only allowing 2 children per family at one time judesedit Mar 2023 #29

Right now, most countries in the world have below replacement birth rates. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2023 #30

I had seen this. But here's the thing - birthrates in a lot of countries are going down. PatrickforB Mar 2023 #35

Excellent post. llmart Mar 2023 #41

Totally! You've got to live, for sure, and there's nothing wrong with PatrickforB Mar 2023 #43

Absolutely. llmart Mar 2023 #44

I would Rebl2 Mar 2023 #37

Considering it started there do we really know Tree Lady Mar 2023 #47

South Korea's fertility rate has collapsed even more eallen Mar 2023 #39

In large part Zeitghost Mar 2023 #42

As expensive as it is to have a child in China, it's more expensive in Korea AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #52

I've been hearing a lot about this not only with China, but other countries too. XorXor Mar 2023 #51

a while ago they had the one child policy treestar Mar 2023 #62