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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Not religious, Coventina. Religious-LEVEL conviction, based on faith
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 08:34 PM
Apr 2023

that can't be measured and proven, just a strong belief that doesn't require proof. Secular, religious, some other form of spirituality all variations.

Okay to the damage humans are doing, can't deny. But although nonhuman species differ from humans in their ability to wipe out species around the world, they're significant for their COMPLETE, species-wide indifference to the damage they do, simply not capable of caring. And in reality, animals are often able to wipe out whole species and destroying the ecosystems in their own regions, and do, but they can't be aware, can't feel guilt, can't care about other species. Some people do.

A most basic difference in our approaches, though, is that I don't see the animal world in terms of nonhuman animals versus human, but as creatures that are all what they are, all deserving of life. And I'm not misanthropic, zero inclination to define all humans by the worst of us and stop there. (Btw, how is that different from defining one race of people only by a minority of its lowest, most depraved members?)

So, nice conversation but mostly nonintersecting lines of thought on this one. Next time. Have a nice evening.



"Why kill a bear for being a bear?" Effete Snob Apr 2023 #1
so what if they lose their fear of humans? Coventina Apr 2023 #2
Fuck scientists Effete Snob Apr 2023 #3
No, I said fuck humans, by which I mean human arrogance Coventina Apr 2023 #4
I'm sorry Effete Snob Apr 2023 #6
Cheers, then. Coventina Apr 2023 #7
Gosh that's not my experience with biologists and game wardens at all. MontanaMama Apr 2023 #25
Interesting Zeitghost Apr 2023 #17
All animals. n/t Coventina Apr 2023 #19
So an bug's life is then Zeitghost Apr 2023 #20
Depends on the bug. Coventina Apr 2023 #22
It would seem to me that one bug would not be worth more than another Zeitghost Apr 2023 #23
I am not in favor of gunning down children Coventina Apr 2023 #27
I'll state first that I would rather the bear not ... Whiskeytide Apr 2023 #30
Well, I don't own any firearms, and never will. Coventina Apr 2023 #31
Living with bears in my neighborhood MontanaMama Apr 2023 #5
Another article stated it was a female bear with three cubs Coventina Apr 2023 #15
I didn't see that. It MUST have been a factor. MontanaMama Apr 2023 #24
Poor woman. Hortensis Apr 2023 #8
him Effete Snob Apr 2023 #9
Ah, thanks. I didn't read to find out who he's left to grieve him either. nt Hortensis Apr 2023 #11
I think Andrea is the Italian name for Andrew liberal_mama Apr 2023 #16
I have no particular hate against the jogger. Coventina Apr 2023 #10
Bears in the area? MuseRider Apr 2023 #12
Maybe you would if you were afraid to step outside for fear Hortensis Apr 2023 #13
Humans are not entitled to live free from predation. Coventina Apr 2023 #14
:) Gee, that statement sounds like religious-level conviction. Hortensis Apr 2023 #18
Maybe my beliefs do rise to religious conviction, I don't know. Coventina Apr 2023 #21
Not religious, Coventina. Religious-LEVEL conviction, based on faith Hortensis Apr 2023 #26
Yes, humans love revenge. flvegan Apr 2023 #28
This is truly, an amazing thread. Fla_Democrat Apr 2023 #29
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