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Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:08 PM Mar 17

Bloodbath redux [View all]

I've actually been away from the news most of today. I heard about the bloodbath comments last night, assumed the worst, then watched the video this morning and discovered that Trump was talking about the auto industry. I then wrote this post to point out that it doesn't matter, because his words exist in multiple contexts. I heard that Jen Psaki made a similar argument this morning.

I just checked back in to see the bloodbath discussion still raging, so here's why I don't think it's a mistake for our side to keep pushing this.

With the Biden campaign fully pushing the comments, the GOP is now on the defensive and yelling about how the mean old libs are taking poor Donald out of context. But by doing this, they're wasting valuable airtime drawing attention to the fact that Trump is a psycho who says crazy, violent stuff. It reminds me of the old Ronald Reagan quote, "If you're explaining, you're losing." I would add that if you're quibbling about context, you're also losing.

Well as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. Republicans are all out there explaining that when Trump said, "If I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath," he wasn't talking about, y'know, an actual bloodbath, he was talking about cars. Okay, fine. And this is the same guy who instigated a violent coup attempt, right? The guy who said General Milley should be shot? The guy who said shoplifters should be shot? He's talking about cars, right?

And now the conversation isn't about Biden's age, or some other garbage, it's about Donald Trump's frequent use of violent language.

This is what we want going forward. There's an organized push going on right now from Democrats to "reawaken" people to the true threat of Trump. Many, many people have tuned out of politics, which is why the "Biden is too old" story -- which is a super-easy thing for people who aren't paying much attention to latch on to -- gained traction, and why it's been reflected in polling.

But one of our best lines of attack this time around is to make sure that as many potential voters as possible remember exactly what kind of psycho Trump is, and why it would be a terrible idea to put him back in the White House. And every time he makes a statement like the "bloodbath" statement, we get an opportunity to do that. I'd rather see the media devoting hours to whether Trump meant an actual bloodbath or a metaphorical bloodbath, than devoting hours discussing Biden's age.

And Trump is going to keep doing this, and he's going to get worse, so hitting him on it now is merely a prelude. You can see from the Biden campaign's comments, and the President's jokes at the Girdiron Dinner, that they're trying to goad him into getting angry -- and it's working. Trump may be projecting a brave face as best he can at the moment, but with his financial situation in tatters, criminal trials coming up, the Republican Party in complete disarray, and constant provocations from the Biden campaign, he's hopefully going to be in complete shambles well before November.

And yes, Trump said a bunch of insane crap in 2016 and got away with it -- "grab 'em by the pussy," "blood coming out of her wherever," etc. -- but this is not 2016. In 2016 those comments were seen by many as just "Trump being Trump." "Locker room talk" -- remember that? And just enough people gave him the benefit of the doubt, because he might have been "out there," but they found him to be entertaining.

He's no longer entertaining. He's just a tired, angry old man ranting and raving about nonsense. He's using violent rhetoric, dehumanizing immigrants, and praising Hitler. He's making overt appeals to racists and neo-Nazis. He's not charming or boisterous or whatever any more, he's a mess.

This stuff is all going to seep back into people's consciousnesses as the year goes on. They need to be reminded of why they got tired of Trump in the first place, and the Biden campaign is going to be putting a lot of time and effort into doing just that. The "bloodbath" comment was the perfect opportunity to take a swing at him, and IMO forcing Republicans to go out and defend him on this is good politics.

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Bloodbath redux [View all] EarlG Mar 17 OP
It's of fucking critical importance to push this message forward. Orange Bastard fucked up, stepped on his own ass, and SoFlaBro Mar 17 #1
THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! Bookmarking!!! niyad Mar 17 #2
Well stated. Thank you EarlG. Think. Again. Mar 17 #3
"That'll be the least of it" repeated twice referring to what problems there might be in the auto industry. The least of brewens Mar 17 #4
Indeed, I don't deny that EarlG Mar 17 #13
Agree 100%. Trump makes noises with his face Ocelot II Mar 17 #5
That was just gas. Remember Dr Spock was arrested for a lot less Oppaloopa Mar 18 #53
Excellent.. I like your Analysis.. Cha Mar 17 #6
THANK YOU EarlG Hekate Mar 17 #7
TFG wants violence and these comments were not taken out of context LetMyPeopleVote Mar 17 #8
👍🏼..K&R...👍🏼 spanone Mar 17 #9
And, Here It IS.. ".. Trump on the Defensive"..! Cha Mar 17 #10
THIS malaise Mar 17 #11
"He's just a tired, angry old man ranting and raving about nonsense." sheshe2 Mar 17 #16
He's what Hitler would have been if he'd lived long enough to become senile. Ocelot II Mar 17 #24
Good observation, Ocelot. sheshe2 Mar 17 #33
Drug use, and food, would've been just like Trump. betsuni Mar 18 #61
Hitler used a lot of opiates and amphetamines. Ocelot II Mar 18 #62
Love it! SalviaBlue Mar 17 #12
I hope we get the opportunity to take advantage of many more "teachable moments". Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 17 #14
He is Also ConstanceCee Mar 17 #15
The act is tired and old Roy Rolling Mar 17 #17
'The "bloodbath" comment was the perfect opportunity to take a swing at him, elleng Mar 17 #18
Very astute RussBLib Mar 17 #19
Kick dalton99a Mar 17 #20
Constant pinpricks. Isolating pinpricks. That's the ticket. cachukis Mar 17 #21
Pinpricks HuskyOffset Mar 18 #49
Good one. cachukis Mar 18 #50
Agreed vadermike Mar 17 #22
this . AllaN01Bear Mar 17 #23
I could not agree more! llmart Mar 17 #25
"With the Biden campaign fully pushing the comments, the GOP is now on the defensive". - BINGO. BumRushDaShow Mar 17 #26
It doesn't matter what he meant by "bloodbath." We use it against him, primarily to mock him. Earth-shine Mar 17 #27
Trump using his 'plausible denial' skills. Aussie105 Mar 17 #28
Mob boss skills orthoclad Mar 17 #41
Well said. limbicnuminousity Mar 17 #29
Pet psychic needed Dear_Prudence Mar 17 #30
Thank you, EarlG. Pathwalker Mar 17 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Aussie105 Mar 17 #32
Excellent redux. Recommended! dchill Mar 17 #34
Well, I'm just hoping the strategy works and Trump loses but... Septua Mar 17 #35
It's always been on us peggysue2 Mar 17 #38
I love how Whoopi Goldberg on "The View" often speaks directly to the camera to remind everyone it's up to them, betsuni Mar 18 #52
Famous Quote Hieronymus Phact Mar 18 #58
Well said. Liberal In Texas Mar 17 #36
Absolutely and on point! peggysue2 Mar 17 #37
What a dog hears: orthoclad Mar 17 #39
Thank you, EarlG. democrank Mar 17 #40
Totally agree. Great post! Silver Gaia Mar 18 #42
Most excellent! Goddessartist Mar 18 #43
The Biden campaign just released this devastating ad putting into perspective Donald Trump's "bloodbath" comment. LetMyPeopleVote Mar 18 #44
My biggest fear is by the time of the RNC convention Mr.Bill Mar 18 #45
I hope he croaks after most of the ballots are printed. CrispyQ Mar 18 #51
I agree, but DT often pivots, and I think that is what he did. 58Sunliner Mar 18 #46
Democrats' comments are routinely actually taken out of context and never go away, ever, betsuni Mar 18 #47
Orange Fuckstain meant what he said. Bloodbath for all Americans especially immigrants. SoFlaBro Mar 18 #48
When your opponent says something off putting, put a megaphone in front of his face. JohnnyRingo Mar 18 #54
He explicitly said "it would be a bloodbath for the whole country," not just the auto industry. SunSeeker Mar 18 #55
"Bloodbath" ??? I thought Dumpster Fire was gonna be sitting in a tubful 4lbs Mar 18 #56
Done stollen Mar 18 #57
K & R Emile Mar 18 #59
K&R B.See Mar 18 #60
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