The Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and the renewal in 2003 were passed through reconciliation (Reply #102)

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Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:08 PM

Samantha (9,314 posts)

102. The Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and the renewal in 2003 were passed through reconciliation

Both times only 51 votes were required. 51 votes. The original Bush Tax Cuts were passed with a vote of 58 to 33. The second time in 2003 was much more controversial because of the ongoing wars but it passed by a vote of 51 to 50. How is that possible, you ask. Cheney cast the deciding vote to break the tie.

Passing a controversial piece of legislation by 51 votes is smart politics when Republicans do it. But when Democrats do it, Republicans react in anger with threats of retaliation and bringing the government to a halt.

Okay for Republicans but not okay for Democrats. See the difference?

Sam

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106 replies	Author	Time	Post
GOP Warns Of Shutdown Over Filibuster [View all]	Purveyor	Nov 2012	OP
Good, shut it down (with appology to Chef Ramsey)	DJ13	Nov 2012	#1
Shut it down!	R. Daneel Olivaw	Nov 2012	#75
Great movie!	DJ13	Nov 2012	#77
The GOP will do that, because there's a clear mandate from American citizens	valerief	Nov 2012	#2
Good luck with that GOP. Let's see how you spin it to the people right before	TeamPooka	Nov 2012	#3
Sounds good to me.	RC	Nov 2012	#4
They need more things to be outraged over	Mr. Mojo Risen	Nov 2012	#5
Give em hell, Harry!!	madinmaryland	Nov 2012	#6
I remember when filibusterers had to filibuster on the floor of the Senate.	kiranon	Nov 2012	#7
Yes!	Ligyron	Nov 2012	#9
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#39
Remember Sanders actually filibustering all day on the floor...no one even there listening?	Auntie Bush	Nov 2012	#80
+1	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#88
That has never been a part of the filibuster rule.	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#96
Elections have consequences.	Ruby the Liberal	Nov 2012	#8
This will be interesting since it brings to the fore state rights protected by the Tenth Amendment	jody	Nov 2012	#10
I respectfully disagree	ashling	Nov 2012	#69
Senate is the ultimate expression of states in the federal government since each state has equal	jody	Nov 2012	#98
Go for it, Harry Reid	union_maid	Nov 2012	#11
Shut it down! nt	ladjf	Nov 2012	#12
Damn Straight shut it down.	Volaris	Nov 2012	#51
The Republicans in Minnesota shut the state government down in 2011	dflprincess	Nov 2012	#78
Bring it.	CakeGrrl	Nov 2012	#13
GREAT! Shut. It. Down. n/t	ProfessionalLeftist	Nov 2012	#14
Bring it.	truebluegreen	Nov 2012	#15
A threat to shut down the government if they...	99Forever	Nov 2012	#16
WRONG! They are suggesting making a filibuster	NashvilleLefty	Nov 2012	#17
+1	Liberalynn	Nov 2012	#41
They abused it to avoid bipartisanship in the first place. The people need a functioning Congress.	Gregorian	Nov 2012	#18
Sure, go ahead, pubbies. It's not as if we'd see much difference, anyway.	Buns_of_Fire	Nov 2012	#19
Good!	Canuckistanian	Nov 2012	#20
+10000	AAO	Nov 2012	#35
So they're not going to change? Shocking!	neverforget	Nov 2012	#21
they already shut it down with the fillibusters	Doctor_J	Nov 2012	#22
It is a bit late to threaten shutdown, when they have already shut down the Senate.	Mr. Sparkle	Nov 2012	#23
I so hope the Democrats make a stand here and broadcast the hell out of it.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#24
Call their bluff	ballaratocker	Nov 2012	#25
Make them all put on	The Wizard	Nov 2012	#66
Someone with backbone and courage need be on TV saying they abused filibuster to ruin US economy.	Festivito	Nov 2012	#26
It sure the hell won't be Harry Reid. Disgusted that a discussion could even be had of changing	Purveyor	Nov 2012	#60
At least it has been noticed to some degree	2naSalit	Nov 2012	#27
OK.	progressoid	Nov 2012	#28
As far as I'm concerned, a bad law in the name of "compromise"......	socialist_n_TN	Nov 2012	#29
Reid should take them up on it.	blackspade	Nov 2012	#30
And if that doesn't work, are they going to hold their breath till they turn blue? n/t	Lydia Leftcoast	Nov 2012	#31
We can only hope.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#87
I favor making talking during the filibuster required.	David__77	Nov 2012	#32
Shut it down!	LoisB	Nov 2012	#33
"Elections have consequences." Bring it.	yardwork	Nov 2012	#34
I just saw Lincoln I want them to be like then	marlakay	Nov 2012	#36
And yet people who actually work for a living don't make squat.	Heather MC	Nov 2012	#37
Government will be shut down for 2 more years if they DON'T change the rules.	Kablooie	Nov 2012	#38
It'll be shut down for two years no matter what, GOP has the house.	Sirveri	Nov 2012	#91
Yes...do it...let the Pukes and Baggers shut stuff down...	SoapBox	Nov 2012	#40
We've been on the defensive for years...	defacto7	Nov 2012	#42
They should go ahead and shut down the government.	Turbineguy	Nov 2012	#43
SS and Medicare recipients will be hurt by this. But the majority of those people voted for	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#57
Harry - Send Those Boys Scrambling! - Shut The Senate Down!	cantbeserious	Nov 2012	#44
Just do it. Mid-terms aren't that far off in the future.	lonestarnot	Nov 2012	#45
And so the gridlock begins	NV Whino	Nov 2012	#46
If Democrats don't change the filibuster rule, it's because they WANT	Marr	Nov 2012	#47
Don't negotiate with terrorists. Filibuster rules have been grossly abused by republicans.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#48
"Up or Down Vote!!" - Every Repuke during Bush's admin	Roland99	Nov 2012	#49
Some of us WERE awake between 2002 - 2006	lapislzi	Nov 2012	#65
Exactly! So, I say....	Roland99	Nov 2012	#92
Bring it.	WheelWalker	Nov 2012	#50
bring it on	krispos42	Nov 2012	#52
Shut er down!	UnrepentantLiberal	Nov 2012	#53
Make em read War and Peace on the Senate floor.	Manifestor_of_Light	Nov 2012	#54
Like little kids who didn't get what they wanted at the store, throwing a tantrum.	sarcasmo	Nov 2012	#55
Go for it, GOP.	liberalmuse	Nov 2012	#56
Change the rules back to 51 instead of 67	SariesNightly	Nov 2012	#58
Oh NOOO! Game Over.	bvar22	Nov 2012	#59
Phuck the GOP. I think the Dems were elected to trake	underthematrix	Nov 2012	#61
A non stop talkathon	The Wizard	Nov 2012	#62
Fuck the Republicans.	Panasonic	Nov 2012	#63
Good. shut er down baby....shut er down	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2012	#64
So	John2	Nov 2012	#67
The republicans should cease to act like babies	Rosa Luxemburg	Nov 2012	#68
Reed must call those treasonous motherfuckers out. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#70
Don't changes in the rules on the first day require just 51 votes?	annabanana	Nov 2012	#71
Break out the Depends	Coyotl	Nov 2012	#72
Reid should offer to change it to 55 votes vs. 51	Zorro	Nov 2012	#73
It might be worth considering	Still Sensible	Nov 2012	#74
Why on earth would they change it back?	jeff47	Nov 2012	#86
i hope they go for it, america is tired of their shit.	spanone	Nov 2012	#76
that soft spoken Harry is a pistol.	Whisp	Nov 2012	#79
Cause they were going to cooperate on anything significant	quakerboy	Nov 2012	#81
About fucking time! K&R	B Calm	Nov 2012	#82
Go Harry. Make them work for their absurd obstructionist ideals. nt	Tigress DEM	Nov 2012	#83
Sometime down the road if THEY ever retake the Senate...	cherish44	Nov 2012	#84
Oxymoron	Zambero	Nov 2012	#85
Three Cheers for Irony!!! (nt)	Jeff In Milwaukee	Nov 2012	#95
Bring it, Teabilly Fucksticks!	Kennah	Nov 2012	#89
Gingrich's "movement" collapsed over a shutdown.	FVZA_Colonel	Nov 2012	#90
Wait, the GOP are threatening to repeat the last two years if the filibuster rules change?	Thav	Nov 2012	#93
What - They won't be able to phone in a filibuster...	Beartracks	Nov 2012	#94
Here’s what Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...	ChisolmTrailDem	Nov 2012	#97
It's not complicated. No actual filibuster = Reid can order the Senate's business to proceed.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#99
They are essentially	sulphurdunn	Nov 2012	#100
Tough shit.	Puglover	Nov 2012	#101
The Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and the renewal in 2003 were passed through reconciliation	Samantha	Nov 2012	#102
Them throw a temper tantrum and shut the goverment down cause they didn't get their way.	Arcanetrance	Nov 2012	#103
DO IT! HARRY!	Veracious	Nov 2012	#104
You lost, McConnell	x2 vancouverite	Nov 2012	#105
LOL with 380+ faux filibusters to their credit...	Javaman	Nov 2012	#106

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