No, it isn't, (Reply #117) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: We the people have already lost. [View all]

Response to graham4anything (Reply #113)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:38 PM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

117. No, it isn't,

Here, let me do the short hand version for you.

Definition of absolutism: [link:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/absolutism|
1 a : a political theory that absolute power should be vested in one or more rulers
b : government by an absolute ruler or authority : despotism ]

Definition of anarchy: [link:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy|
1 a : absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government ]

The tea party believes in a smaller government, though they are very much pro military, pro law and order(functions of government). They have a very authoritarian streak running through their philosophy, thus I suspect that, much like Nazis in the Weimar Republic, they would welcome a dictator in order to force their views upon eveyrbody.

Anarchy on the other hand, is the complete absence of government, very much the opposite of a political philosophy that seeks absolute power.

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177 replies	Author	Time	Post
We the people have already lost. [View all]	MadHound	Dec 2012	OP
See Lincoln the Movie. Compromise is how the USA was founded and has worked since	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#1
Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me to see a movie in order to learn anything,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#4
Noone was talking to you. I was responding to anyone reading in.	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#6
Well excuuuuuuuse me for daring to think that your post, a reply to mine, is actually meant for me	MadHound	Dec 2012	#11
there is no way to answer a post except to hit respond to post	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#13
New Rule? When NOT responding to OP preface response TO EVERYONE BUT THE OP:	gateley	Dec 2012	#91
Are we to understand your comment here	reeds2012	Dec 2012	#72
He's been trying to shill this film for over a week. Just another "my team right or wrong"	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#90
The absolute 100% or don't agree is working real well for us- WHEN THE REPUBS DO IT!!!	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#96
Wow, someone is twitchy	Katashi_itto	Dec 2012	#159
Did you even read the OP before responding?	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#58
behind closed doors?	maindawg	Dec 2012	#81
I don't think you understand how America has worked 1776-present	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#87
A New Constitution would be fun	AldoLeopold	Dec 2012	#107
From a strictly political science view,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#112
the tea party is a great example of both absoulutism and anarchy as one	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#113
No, it isn't,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#117
You are using #5 of 5 of the meanings. I am using #1,2,3,4	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#119
Two questions,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#121
Both	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#125
First of all, please don't make assumptions about what I am doing, OK, thanks.	MadHound	Dec 2012	#130
Looks like you were talking to Madhound to me.	Hissyspit	Dec 2012	#154
there are only two sides. Never a third shall be,unless the repubs leave the ballpark like the Whigs	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#157
Right. If not responding to the OP and not responding to anyone else in the thread,	Dark n Stormy Knight	Dec 2012	#158
you got it	Mel	Dec 2012	#32
Thank you	tavalon	Dec 2012	#37
oh no	Mel	Dec 2012	#41
Nope y'all are NOT alone......	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#124
I totally agree with you, Tavalon and keep wondering, "Has nobody explained this to Obama yet?"	We People	Dec 2012	#77
I feel sure that they know about it..........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#126
See the movie	jpak	Dec 2012	#76
Why?	Hissyspit	Dec 2012	#169
Granted, it is a film.	janx	Dec 2012	#174
The Civil War was a result of failed attempts at foul compromise.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2012	#7
Puts on HAZMAT suit	AldoLeopold	Dec 2012	#102
Compromise is how this country works according to you and a movie and I don't disagree.	Cleita	Dec 2012	#25
+1	villager	Dec 2012	#47
What Cleita said. nt	Nay	Dec 2012	#84
Cleita, I would go so far as to use a different "C" word.	dotymed	Dec 2012	#168
Yes, collusion too. Very good to remind me. Thanks.	Cleita	Dec 2012	#170
You attitude is a good example of why we are where we are today. We been settling for 10% until	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#26
How's compromise been working for you for the last 20 years?	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#86
LBJ is the greatest and worked well to get all those social acts/civil rights/voting rights acts	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#120
Yeah, the greatest, except for all that killing of innocents in Vietnam,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#123
JFK authorized Bobby to wiretap Dr. Martin Luther King. and renewed it.	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#128
And what does that have to do with LBJ escalating a war under false premises,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#131
Thomas Jefferson said all were equal while keeping slaves	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#133
Well, now that I've seen what a poor grasp you have of both history and reality,	MadHound	Dec 2012	#134
LBJ staked his presidency on the War On Poverty and the VRA	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#132
And that's what we want. We want the REPUBLICANS to compromise for a change. .	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#106
no, actually, war is how the US was founded & maintained, the very opposite of compromise.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#156
In the movie, Lincoln was going for permanent emancipation.	merrily	Dec 2012	#165
If there is a deep spending cut, we may be looking at another major recession.	Selatius	Dec 2012	#2
Well, I'm	John2	Dec 2012	#68
+1000	heaven05	Dec 2012	#78
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2012	#82
No, we really	ProSense	Dec 2012	#3
Well Said!	sheshe2	Dec 2012	#20
I keep hoping to see Democrats stand up for Democratic principles...	Octafish	Dec 2012	#5
+1	LeftInTX	Dec 2012	#12
"instead ... we get ... Trickle Down and Voodoo Reaganomics." What's worse, we are now in the	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#62
We (Democrats) need to take an initial position that is so extreme that any movement	bluethruandthru	Dec 2012	#8
+1	abelenkpe	Dec 2012	#9
+1 Start with 'Confiscate The Assets of the Rich'	leftstreet	Dec 2012	#17
Nationalize some industries that are vital for our defense. Like the defense industry and oil. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#28
...add banks, healthcare, energy	leftstreet	Dec 2012	#34
Yup! nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#42
That would work for me.	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#64
Exactly.	rudycantfail	Dec 2012	#30
Excellent!	yewnix	Dec 2012	#173
Welcome to DU. Enjoy your short stay.	yourout	Dec 2012	#176
More anti-Democratic Party shit stirring	jpak	Dec 2012	#10
The Democratic Party is doing a fine job of that on its own	leftstreet	Dec 2012	#14
And what arguments are you bringing to the table? Real Democrats realize that shit stirring is good.	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#33
Obama won - get over it	jpak	Dec 2012	#38
I get it. Pres Obama won so you can go back to watching American Idol. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#39
Obama hate fail	jpak	Dec 2012	#50
Intelligence fail. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#175
I keep looking for a legitimate proposal - one that isn't rumor or speculation	bigtree	Dec 2012	#15
I am really flippin' tired of the negativity from this poster.	babylonsister	Dec 2012	#21
It's easier than doing the work, babylonsister. Talk is cheap. Cynicism is cool.	freshwest	Dec 2012	#151
but, but??!!!	heaven05	Dec 2012	#31
I don't feel 'burned' by our side	bigtree	Dec 2012	#43
a lot	heaven05	Dec 2012	#53
as for 'precedent' show me where this President has made cuts to the social safety net	bigtree	Dec 2012	#59
longer view	heaven05	Dec 2012	#74
Didn't he appoint Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles to a committee????????	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#129
You don't own a Time Machine as the OP does.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#57
That was excellent, MadHound.........	plethoro	Dec 2012	#16
+1000	heaven05	Dec 2012	#24
President Obama won't give up anything that hurts a lot of people...	Comrade_McKenzie	Dec 2012	#18
And by then...	Oilwellian	Dec 2012	#118
Can we get	ProSense	Dec 2012	#19
I	heaven05	Dec 2012	#22
We need to be expanding Medicare to cover all our citizens	JEB	Dec 2012	#23
It's Also A Political Trap	ProfessorGAC	Dec 2012	#27
I agree with you 100%. We, the people, are being sold down the river	Cleita	Dec 2012	#29
It's the American way since Trickie Dick and the false 'Gas Shortage '	orpupilofnature57	Dec 2012	#36
Until The People Civilly Disobey In Mass Numbers Nothing Will Change	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#35
I am no longer sanguine that will work either...	plethoro	Dec 2012	#40
No guarantees, but........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#51
Okay, I agree with that. It has to be a message so	plethoro	Dec 2012	#60
Well that's the question isn't it........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#66
Great reply. We have met the enemy and it is	plethoro	Dec 2012	#70
Thanx and as I said above.......	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#73
well	heaven05	Dec 2012	#75
I agree	John2	Dec 2012	#85
i think emphasis	riverbendviewgal	Dec 2012	#44
Fortunately, Obama will veto any cuts to the safey net.....won't he?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2012	#45
I'll bet serious money on or.	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#92
We...	99Forever	Dec 2012	#46
One thing to remember. NO agreement........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#48
+1	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#94
The Corporate State controls the framing	SHRED	Dec 2012	#49
+1	rudycantfail	Dec 2012	#55
I'll give it it's own thread...thanks	SHRED	Dec 2012	#63
Great post, MH, but I have a suggestion about raising taxes.	Zorra	Dec 2012	#52
+1 n/t	Oilwellian	Dec 2012	#127
I had no illusion. The only thing I felt fairly certain about was the Supreme Court. Everything	still_one	Dec 2012	#54
With respect to the Supreme Court, what are you fairly certain about?	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#67
better than the federalist society judges. also judges who support right to	still_one	Dec 2012	#115
She's better than the RW Federalist Society judges? Does she want to be? Or be the same?	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#147
We don't need new ideas or solutions, we only need history books.	JaneyVee	Dec 2012	#56
It was only and always about cutting our earned benefits! Slight of hand.	Rocky888	Dec 2012	#61
And that became apparent the minute the anti-SS gang were appointed to the	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#138
With the GLARING monster bill that we give the military, nothing else needs saying.	Gregorian	Dec 2012	#65
Great post. nt	raccoon	Dec 2012	#98
All that military stuff ends up in a landfill eventually, just like all the junk we buy from China.	Flatulo	Dec 2012	#114
Only If We Give Up, Have We Lost	Demeter	Dec 2012	#69
Best post on here since the election in my opinion.	go west young man	Dec 2012	#71
Some eerie parallels between the immediate appearance of the "Fiscal Cliff" and the "Patriot Act"	We People	Dec 2012	#93
They are not naive.	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#103
Excellent post. The good part of all this is that the people are no longer as naive	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#116
I have reached	sulphurdunn	Dec 2012	#79
MadHound, you're right....	ReRe	Dec 2012	#80
With so many realistic and optimistic DUers your talents may be wasted here.	great white snark	Dec 2012	#83
Yes, I see the	femrap	Dec 2012	#88
DURec!	bvar22	Dec 2012	#89
Amazing isn't it? And we have yet to learn what they will give up in	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#104
Oh god, don't mention raising taxes on the non-rich here	jmowreader	Dec 2012	#95
The defense spending & the Bush tax cuts to the ultra-rich are the culprits.	pacalo	Dec 2012	#97
I was kind of looking forward to the fiscal cliff	AldoLeopold	Dec 2012	#101
The business world's cushy association with Reagan's presidency put a lot of people out of work.	pacalo	Dec 2012	#105
The Military "Jobs" Program is money down the toilet.	bvar22	Dec 2012	#108
K&R	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#99
Jill, is that you? You lost! Get over it!	Tarheel_Dem	Dec 2012	#100
Yes.	LWolf	Dec 2012	#109
We the People have very little representation....	Junkdrawer	Dec 2012	#110
Yep... K & R !!!	WillyT	Dec 2012	#111
But, but... we just reelected Obama!!	Iggy	Dec 2012	#122
Right! His triangulation and appeasement for four years	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#136
We can pressure Congress, they have a future to think of. And we should do so	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#139
You're Joking, Right??	Iggy	Dec 2012	#145
You are right. But I think we were still recovering from the Bush years and people	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#148
I Hope You're Right	Iggy	Dec 2012	#161
I Can't Wait.....	Iggy	Dec 2012	#144
I think	ProSense	Dec 2012	#146
Who knew...	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#135
Lots of people knew.	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#137
You bet we have already lost.	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#140
Then people should have fought back harder against Ralph Nader & his lies.	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#141
And we have always been at war with Eastasia.	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#142
Now some want to fight China. Instead of embrace new customers and citizens of the world	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#143
Well said! Too bad that no one is on the side of the people any more.	emsimon33	Dec 2012	#149
most amazing trick I never saw	decayincl	Dec 2012	#150
Tax cuts for the rich won't happen to the real rich	zentrum	Dec 2012	#152
It seems to me you are assuming things not yet proven.	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Dec 2012	#153
+100	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#155
both parties are negotiating TOGETHER against US....	tomp	Dec 2012	#160
Agree completely, but make it the last fifty years that that lesson has been learned.	eomer	Dec 2012	#162
what is your source for this latest "they are selling us out" panic?	arely staircase	Dec 2012	#163
Hear, hear! k&r n/t	Laelth	Dec 2012	#164
Obama on "entititlements" and deficit reduction 2009-2010; Conyers on Obama, 2011	merrily	Dec 2012	#166
MadHound has it right.	olegramps	Dec 2012	#167
+1 Whatever crumbs are ostentatiously handed to the 99 percent after this debacle,	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#171
If Repubs want to save money on Medicare just end the no negotiation	kiranon	Dec 2012	#172
This message was self-deleted by its author	Fedaykin	Dec 2012	#177

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