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In reply to the discussion: I never wanted kids [View all]

Cirsium

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54. It is not that
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:38 PM
Oct 2024

Forgive me jumping in here.

Populations of all organisms expand until they no longer can, and population explosions and collapses are common. Humans, as a highly social species, may be able to self-stabilize and operate sustainably over long stretches of time, and there is evidence of that happening throughout history and pre-history. There is evidence that pre-Columbian societies in the western hemisphere were managing natural resources in sustainable ways while still supporting populations that may have been larger than contemporary European populations.

We are living in a time when a highly destructive economic system dominates everything. Our population growth arguments should not ignore that. The stabilization of the population and progressive social change are the same battle. Equal rights for women, access to education and birth control, are critical, for example.

We don't really know what the "carrying capacity" of the Earth is, and we can't know that if we don't know how society is going to be organized. Right now the future of the human race is in the hands of Thiel, Musk, Bezos, Singer, Gates, Zuckerberg, Koch, Walton, DeVos, Diamond, et al. We are way overpopulated with that class of people and that is what is unsustainable

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I never wanted kids [View all] XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 OP
Very sound reasoning Mossfern Oct 2024 #1
I saw employees w kids struggling XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #2
So you saw some families too poor to have children? It was "Not worth it"? That your decision for the Wonder Why Oct 2024 #17
If someone wants kids, they're free to make XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #27
Time to walk the walk.... raising2moredems Oct 2024 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2024 #11
Yes it is, and its killing the planet Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2024 #23
Arable land per head of population canetoad Oct 2024 #77
Arable land Cirsium Oct 2024 #91
Yeah, you ARE wrong. Sky Jewels Oct 2024 #84
Her comment was actually that she supported 3 of her 4 children's decision not to have children Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #16
Thank you Mossfern Oct 2024 #61
It was perfectly clear. I had no trouble understanding it. niyad Oct 2024 #104
It absolutely is. Jirel Oct 2024 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2024 #24
Aw, you can't even argue the point. Jirel Oct 2024 #35
I agree biophile Oct 2024 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2024 #89
You are allowed your opinion biophile Oct 2024 #39
It is not that Cirsium Oct 2024 #54
I see the truth in that biophile Oct 2024 #74
Thanks n/t Cirsium Oct 2024 #83
"We are living in a time when a highly destructive economic system dominates everything." OldBaldy1701E Oct 2024 #80
Thank you for your post. Collimator Oct 2024 #86
We are indeed overpopulated Envirogal Oct 2024 #103
Thanks Cirsium Oct 2024 #114
you sound like a bot 4catsmom Oct 2024 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2024 #90
Most of the damage Cirsium Oct 2024 #37
True biophile Oct 2024 #41
Population is what leads to all you mentioned. Envirogal Oct 2024 #115
Excellent points Cirsium Oct 2024 #120
You cannot point to any social problem bluescribbler Oct 2024 #46
Women's rights Cirsium Oct 2024 #85
I am NOT tellilng my kids not to have children Mossfern Oct 2024 #58
Just a terrible response krkaufman Oct 2024 #72
Of course the planet is overpopulated. Sky Jewels Oct 2024 #81
I just think things are getting too dangerous and ugly. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2024 #48
I've never for even one moment moreland01 Oct 2024 #87
I never wanted children either. FalloutShelter Oct 2024 #3
I was also the one not intested in holding the baby XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #5
Same FalloutShelter Oct 2024 #6
The smell of baby powder XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #8
My sisters and my mom understood I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2024 #67
And that's your right XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #68
You are so right! Mossfern Oct 2024 #7
So glad your mothering experience has FalloutShelter Oct 2024 #20
I can relate! birdographer Oct 2024 #15
Same here. Somebody shows up with a baby, the best I can do Ocelot II Oct 2024 #34
Show up with a baby I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2024 #70
I have had to quietly leave the room in those circumstances. Demobrat Oct 2024 #75
Somebody has to care for the animals! moreland01 Oct 2024 #88
Yep - I was the same. "Do not ask me to hold the baby" was what I'd think. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2024 #51
Were you able to pursue your artitic goals? electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #94
Yes, I have.... FalloutShelter Oct 2024 #98
YW👍 Wow, that's great! ... electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #116
I love babies. Just never wanted any of my own. Iris Oct 2024 #111
I always wanted kids & to be an artist womanofthehills Oct 2024 #113
Every woman has the right to make her own decisions. Diamond_Dog Oct 2024 #4
A VERY SPECIAL kind of POS. calimary Oct 2024 #18
Can't blame you one bit. I had none (purposefully) for the same reasons! n/t CousinIT Oct 2024 #9
It's grossly sexist that Vance and Republicans think Quiet Em Oct 2024 #10
It's your freedom to decide - the government shouldn't have any control over our reproductive systems...NONE. Told iluvtennis Oct 2024 #13
Absolutely XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #28
I have to ask KT2000 Oct 2024 #14
Because he wants to have cheap and uneducated manpower for corporations manpower. Take away good Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #22
I wonder if he saw the new series on the Menendez brothers... birdographer Oct 2024 #19
I'm a childless dog lady 😂 Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #29
These superstorms and raging fires XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #33
Just for clarity misanthrope Oct 2024 #105
Churches have convinced some women that TBF Oct 2024 #25
I never wanted kids either. In fact, I most vehemently Demobrat Oct 2024 #26
I like your name Demobrat! nt Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #30
Id be given babydolls as a very young child XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #36
I was given a babydoll once. Demobrat Oct 2024 #49
Lolol! XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #50
Are you my daughter? Mossfern Oct 2024 #65
I'm the oldest of four. The first time I remember Demobrat Oct 2024 #66
Different daughter Mossfern Oct 2024 #69
Agree. Jirel Oct 2024 #31
I don't think you should knock motherhood as being uninteresting. LisaM Oct 2024 #95
nothing more interesting to do? that's just ugly NoRethugFriends Oct 2024 #107
What woman votes for vermin like him and Trump? piddyprints Oct 2024 #32
Like I said, coworkers XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #38
I love kids but having my own was never a priority. Siwsan Oct 2024 #42
I knew I could not handle working XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #43
Married 54 years this week. Two daughters who I des ribe as the best thing.... EarnestPutz Oct 2024 #44
Kids are annoying I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2024 #45
Looking at active 55-plus condos XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #47
I can't stand the screeching either. Demobrat Oct 2024 #56
Wow. Such anti children sentiment in this stream. NoRethugFriends Oct 2024 #52
I agree. It seems like some of the people who didn't have children have a sense of moral superiority about it. llmart Oct 2024 #60
Don't feel morally superior I_UndergroundPanther Oct 22 #122
Just being honest I_UndergroundPanther Oct 22 #121
here's a really good discussion with a woman who got off the maga train barbtries Oct 2024 #53
Ty nt XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #55
We never had 'em, never wanted them. 634-5789 Oct 2024 #57
Lol XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #59
I never thought I was responsible enough to have kids. And I was right. Iggo Oct 2024 #62
Sorry. Ended up long post, but I needed to get it off my chest. Please forgive me. slightlv Oct 2024 #63
Ty for sharing XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #64
I have a sister like your daughter. Demobrat Oct 2024 #78
Love your last sentence! (LOL) slightlv Oct 2024 #97
I think I_UndergroundPanther Oct 22 #123
I tend to agree to at least a genetic predisposition. slightlv Oct 22 #124
the pressure for people to have kids very much contributes to abuse Skittles Oct 2024 #71
I'm my 20s XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #73
Me too. He was wrong. I didn't. Demobrat Oct 2024 #76
Everyone will view this question through their own life's lens. DFW Oct 2024 #79
When I was around 4 yrs 7ish wks old; I knew... electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #92
Circa 72 XanaDUer2 Oct 2024 #93
My sis wasn't screaming. Maaaybe a brief look, really not sure...but, ugh, the smell! electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #96
What woman votes for Trump? One who hates people of color more than she loves herself. SunSeeker Oct 2024 #99
Me neither for about the same reasons. I also lack tolerance of people slow to sinkingfeeling Oct 2024 #100
I'm not the only one in my family without children. no_hypocrisy Oct 2024 #101
Same. Have them if you want, but it was never a high priority to me. D23MIURG23 Oct 2024 #102
The same here, both for the population and wage slave reasons, but also niyad Oct 2024 #106
Hear, hear. peppertree Oct 2024 #108
I dont know Figarosmom Oct 2024 #109
Didn't even have choice in the matter. Xolodno Oct 2024 #112
Religious fanatics who seem to be so insecure of their own agency they need a cult figure with a "Bible" msfiddlestix Oct 2024 #117
Strong supporter of women's rights to have or not have children! Clouds Passing Oct 2024 #118
OMG DU is full of childless catladies! jfz9580m Oct 2024 #119
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