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TwilightZone

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3. Biden won voters who had a union member in the household 57/40.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 11

So, unless there was a huge shift for 2024, the assertion about unions doesn't hold up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184429/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-union-membership-us/

I think many of the others fall into similar categories. They have some validity, perhaps, but not as much as those who had the opinions might believe. Some are just right-wing talking points, which you identified as such.

For the record, Hillary would have won if not for about 100 things going right for Trump. He needed them all and got them. He needed slim margins in a few states to swing the EC, he needed a third party to draw just enough votes in swing states, Comey influence, low turnout, 30 years of RW propaganda, apathy on the left, potential campaign missteps (WI, etc.), and on and on and on.

Had any of those been marginally different, the outcome may very well have been different, as well.

The assertion about Biden's approval ratings has some validity, but any candidate we put up was going to be tied to them.

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I'm tired of "experts " who predicted Harris would win, now telling me why she lost. surfered Nov 11 #1
Hardly anyone who was being objective definitively predicted that she would win. TwilightZone Nov 11 #6
My brother thought she would lose at the start Meowmee Nov 11 #10
My mom told me she would lose the day it was clear that she would be the nominee. TwilightZone Nov 11 #12
Yes agree on all of that Meowmee Nov 11 #13
How it was not seen that student loan forgiveness programs were further alienating working kelly1mm Nov 11 #2
I noticed that when the issue was raised it was dismissed or rationalized. pat_k Nov 11 #5
Biden won voters who had a union member in the household 57/40. TwilightZone Nov 11 #3
As I said, I don't want to argue, but holding Union support has been a struggle since NAFTA. pat_k Nov 11 #7
For me, weather by hook or by crook the repukes got more votes plain and simple. nt mitch96 Nov 11 #4
Both the 2016 and 2020 primaries were "real contests" emulatorloo Nov 11 #8
My view of 2016 is probably a minority view... pat_k Nov 11 #16
Biden broke no promise. He never said he was only going to be a one term president. emulatorloo Nov 11 #18
Being a "transitional" president and "bridge" . . . pat_k Nov 11 #20
Nothing you've posted is factual. Just 'assumptions' and 'conclusions' that can not be supported w fact. emulatorloo Nov 11 #22
Obviously. pat_k Nov 11 #23
2016 Primary: Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley, Chaffee, Webb, Lessing emulatorloo Nov 11 #19
The party coalesced around her as presumed nominee in early 2014 pat_k Nov 11 #21
Dems had only 1/10 the time to campaign compared to IT. CoopersDad Nov 11 #9
Kamala did a spectacular job. pat_k Nov 11 #15
I don't listen to arguments that claim our candidates were "anointed." yardwork Nov 11 #11
No one ran against Biden because he was the incumbent. pat_k Nov 11 #14
There were many kinds of stupidity in this election mvd Nov 11 #17
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