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In reply to the discussion: wowsers. this emphatically refutes the 'need a gun to stop a bad guy' thing. how did i miss this?!? [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)59. Were you a French World War I general in another life?
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/slang.htm
Unlikely as it may seem, the generals of victorious Germany and defeated France arrived at the same conclusions: only total offensive - offensive B l'outrance - could ensure victory. While the Germans planned the von Schlieffen offensive, Revanche became the motive force behind French military planning in the years between the wars. (17)
With all sides (including the British, despite their experience in the Boer War) committed to the theory of the offensive, the sudden concretion of the long-awaited war into defensive entrenchment baffled even the generals. In their obsession with the offensive, and with its psychological component of troop morale, they had failed to recognise that the enormous technological advances in weaponry worked more to the benefit of defence than of offence. The Western Front was shaped by artillery, the machine gun, barbed wire, and the spade...
...Unfortunately for the miserable troops mired in the wet, cold, and filthy trenches, the generals refused to accept the deadly efficacy of the defensive weapons, and spent the first three years of the war mounting one costly frontal assault after another, until the abortive Nivelle offensive of May 1917 precipitated the mutiny of the French army and ended what J.M. Winter calls "the great slaughter." (19)
With all sides (including the British, despite their experience in the Boer War) committed to the theory of the offensive, the sudden concretion of the long-awaited war into defensive entrenchment baffled even the generals. In their obsession with the offensive, and with its psychological component of troop morale, they had failed to recognise that the enormous technological advances in weaponry worked more to the benefit of defence than of offence. The Western Front was shaped by artillery, the machine gun, barbed wire, and the spade...
...Unfortunately for the miserable troops mired in the wet, cold, and filthy trenches, the generals refused to accept the deadly efficacy of the defensive weapons, and spent the first three years of the war mounting one costly frontal assault after another, until the abortive Nivelle offensive of May 1917 precipitated the mutiny of the French army and ended what J.M. Winter calls "the great slaughter." (19)
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wowsers. this emphatically refutes the 'need a gun to stop a bad guy' thing. how did i miss this?!? [View all]
farminator3000
Jan 2013
OP
This was ruined for me by its repeated use of hysterical, screaming women falling
CTyankee
Jan 2013
#5
not blaming you. I blame the makers of the video. Isn't it galling to see this, with
CTyankee
Jan 2013
#7
so does a dog. or an alarm. or police locks. or a motion detector. or a .22 long
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#15
maybe a different neighborhood would be more relaxing? also, pepper spray, body armor, chainmail?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#18
Just have your people send the keyboard-cleaning bill to my people. nt
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#97
What makes you think that a legally armed citizen would spray bullets everywhere?
GreenStormCloud
Jan 2013
#19
You've not heard the term "Mall ninja" before? I thought you were knowledgable about guns...
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2013
#98
they probably both had permits. they probably both missed. they probably didn't need to be shooting
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#103
The guard had to have a permit, in WA. The other guy would have been illegal.
GreenStormCloud
Jan 2013
#110
i'm not saying you can't defend yourself, i'm saying you don't need a military rifle to do it
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#105
maybe he was lucky he DIDN'T have a gun, and didn't become a target, and was able to do something
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#23
see #26. the guard confronted the guy and he started shooting. he got in the guys face. not a target
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#28
i stopped at the word texas. i'm sure they are very neutral and unbaised on the subject of guns, but
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#55
Your anecdotes are more reliable than published statistics? It really *is* a religious...
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2013
#62
i'd go with harvard over you, myself, thanks. texas data? right. interpreted by you? ha!
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#92
you are totally confused- the hyperbole is not mine- i'm 110% right that the NRA is full o'crap
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#93
Yeah, yeah, anecdotes are better than verifiable statistics to you.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2013
#111
I would be willing to bet that 90% of those owners of semi automatic weapons
politicaljunkie41910
Jan 2013
#25
I think that's it. He used the best that was available to him. It doesn't mean that something else..
Honeycombe8
Jan 2013
#35
typing a few sentences doesn't prove anything unless you were there when it happened
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#34
i am correct and that makes no sense. OP was 'no comment'. why are you trying to belittle the guy?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#37
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said. .....
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#40
i'm more comfortable with cops than vigilantes, thanks. why trust any joe off the street?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#72
a guy going around with a gun looking for trouble sounds pretty lame to me, thanks.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#94
Attempts by armed citizens to stop shooters are rare. At least two such attempts in recent years
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#38
"Records reveal that he legally acquired at least six weapons in the years before his death."
Walk away
Jan 2013
#79