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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
83. Hi.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
Mar 2013

I'm surprised this turned up on Google.

There were a number of reasons why we chose this area, but affordability and stretching the dollar was one of the biggest.
We would have preferred the Pacific North West, but the buy in was Off-the-Dial, and all the good stuff was already taken.
We could find cheap land there, but none of it had all the necessary ingredients, like
Water, Southern Exposure, distance from Industrial or Urban Pollution.

There are some downsides to Arkansas.
Roads are bad, as are Social Services.
Ignorance & Poverty are depressing,
especially if you've been living in Connecticut.
Most people are genuinely nice, but poorly informed.

The last two Summer Droughts/HeatWave have been pretty bad, but we have a Spring Fed Well that has never quit, for which we are grateful.
We can run this well 24/7, irrigate our gardens, wash our clothes, and take baths,
and it has never even coughed,
and we have adopted a work schedule for dealing with the heat:
Get your work done EARLY, and get OUT of the sun and relax until it cools off in the evening.
(not the only thing we have stolen from our Mexican neighbors.
We also LOVE the spicy food).

WATER is the #1 thing I would advise you to put on the top of your list.
Our spring is "above ground" during the rainy season, but goes underground during droughts.
We have a shallow well (60') and submersible pump that accesses this spring during dry spells.
Without this, our life here would not be tolerable.


While springs are common in the Ouachita Mountains, they are not everywhere.
Not everybody has one, and it is painful to watch your neighbors veggie garden dry up and blow away because they can't water their crops.

We have been informed by the locals that the HeatWave/Drought is cyclical and won't last,
and we pray they are right,
because if THIS is the Global Warming "New Normal",
then things are going to be tough.
There is evidence supporting the cyclical view.
Our rainfall so far this Spring is above normal,
and we are excited about the new growing season.
Our Fruit Trees are budding, and we are expecting our first Asparagus any day now.


The Ozarks, further north, are a bit more scenic, but also more developed.
Land prices for good property there are higher, but there are more amenities too.
They are also in a different Growing Zone.
We can plant two weeks earlier in the Ouachitas, and have out first Fall Freeze about 2 weeks later.
That is important for us because we depend on our Veggie Garden for much of our food, and are still finding ways to stretch our growing season, the Two week before and two weeks after = a full month longer growing season.
The land in the Ouachitas is not quite as rocky as further north...
more top soil, easier to grow stuff.

We are on the west edge of Arkansas, about 10 miles from the Oklahoma border, north-west of Mena, close to Lake Wilhelmina, and it sound like you are familiar with this area.

The area is still fairly depressed, "undiscovered", and property is inexpensive.
Polk County is also a "Dry County", though that is going to change in the near future. When it does, this place will BOOM with resorts and vacation spots.
Highway 71 runs through this area, and land is available for about 5 miles either side of Hwy71. Everything else is national Forrest, expert for that corridor.
So land here is surrounded by extensive National Forest, plenty of wild game, good, clean air... pristine environment.

I would suggest that you come stay for a few days in a motel or rental cabin in Mena, and explore the area for available property. You can find a bunch listed with the realtors,
but, in my opinion, the best stuff is "For Sale by Owner", and you have to explore some to find it, ask around, check the local papers, (Mena Star & The Pulse),
or "The Trader", or even EBay for auctions and private sales.
(We actually found our place on EBay).

Things to look for:

[font size=3]1)A Spring...or spring fed well,
creek or river frontage is nice too, but the well is more important!!!
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2)Southern exposure.
You definitely want the sun.
Avoid anything on the north side of a mountain or ridge.
(The Ouachitas and Ozarks run East/West, the only mountains in the US that do so.)
Northern exposures are colder, damper, and less sun for growing stuff,
though some have magnificent views, they aren't worth it.

3) Some flat spots with top soil.
Even if you are not interested in growing food,
you might at a later date.
Health reasons aside, we would grow food for the taste only.
We grow the best Asparagus and Strawberries I have ever tasted.
My Wife is an excellent Italian cook, so we grow all that Italian and Mexican Salsa stuff too.
(San Marzanos, Garlic, Basil, Onions, Chives, Sage, Tyme, Rosemary Peppers,....)

4) The ONLY "industry" in the area are Tyson Chicken farms.
There are a few stashed back in the countryside.
You don't want to be anywhere close to one of these Chicken Concentration Camps. They STINK during hot weather. If you find a place you are interested in, check the Satellite Photos (Google Maps) to make sure you are at least a mile away.
and that you will not be to the East or South East of one of these. (Prevailing winds North-Westerly)
The people who own these places say "It smells like money",
but everybody else says, "GACK. How can you stand to live there"?



You can find some other photos and text here:
Early Honey Bounty in Central ARkansas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1182412

Happy Birthday to Blossom the Rescue Fawn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1182456

Veggie Garden Porn Season 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=280x57204

August Update
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=268x2747

Good Luck with your research.
We also found some interesting and affordable places around the Smokey Mountains
before we decided on this place.

And mostly god-fearing places too. I guess god doesn't care much for retirees. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #1
Here in Tennessee it feels like there is literally a church on every corner. white_wolf Jul 2012 #3
They just built a church here, KS, so big I bet it's a rival to the RKP5637 Jul 2012 #5
Same here in North Georgia, just northwest of Atlanta. n/t RebelOne Jul 2012 #23
In SC there is too. nt raccoon Jul 2012 #42
I am retired in Milwaukee. mysuzuki2 Jul 2012 #50
well, you know, "opiate of the masses" phantom power Jul 2012 #27
I love your sig line!!! So true!!! "But these are times of madness, dressed RKP5637 Jul 2012 #30
IMO more churches = less desirable nt msongs Jul 2012 #2
More sinners need more churches, I guess. nt DocMac Jul 2012 #13
With all that prayer going on, one would think these would be really good times! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #31
Personally, I prefer more strip clubs and package stores near schools. SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #49
Guess it depends on what your looking at. Most of those states are sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #4
The stats the list I cited used to measure were: white_wolf Jul 2012 #6
I recently tried to find a cheaper place to live state/city. It was an RKP5637 Jul 2012 #10
Yeah, I'm betting you didn't have too much luck. white_wolf Jul 2012 #12
Vermont is a beautiful place to live, I've been there a number of times over RKP5637 Jul 2012 #14
What was the best spot you saw? tia uponit7771 Jul 2012 #39
Montpelier was the area I was mostly in ... I recall well just getting there RKP5637 Jul 2012 #44
I'm In Vermont (Not Retired, Yet) Tace Jul 2012 #35
Misleading. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #67
Don't let that fool you -- I lived in AL on a rural route near a VERY small town -- we got burgled Nay Jul 2012 #78
A good loud dog and a shotgun. I hear ya.Works a treat most of the time. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #79
Here are the "10 Best" from AARP KansDem Jul 2012 #7
Because they're pretty? Neoma Jul 2012 #11
And none of them are liberal, some cities are, but it seems so often the RKP5637 Jul 2012 #15
Somebody didn't think things through very well Warpy Jul 2012 #19
Yes, FL has A/C... but heating costs are almost zero. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #33
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #40
TN here Tsiyu Jul 2012 #34
+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #72
A vastly cheaper housing market 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #55
Retirees are cantankerous? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #54
AARP had the war criminal Bush on their cover so AARP is full of lying whores just1voice Jul 2012 #66
Tennessee is top state to retire in Go Vols Jul 2012 #8
According to the list I cited, Tennessee has the following: white_wolf Jul 2012 #9
No offense meant to anyone, but these states I wouldn't even want to RKP5637 Jul 2012 #16
I live in TN, I want to drive out of it and never come back, but that's it. white_wolf Jul 2012 #17
NYC is a cool place. I grew up not too far from NYC and also used to RKP5637 Jul 2012 #22
Is there a state that is socially liberal and pro business? FarCenter Jul 2012 #18
Only in my mind. I've longed for something like that, but I sure never RKP5637 Jul 2012 #28
got all of those except low taxes KurtNYC Jul 2012 #48
New Hampshire fits that bill. LAGC Jul 2012 #52
I have relatives in Boston, and NH seems definitely a possibility FarCenter Jul 2012 #62
Switzerland nichomachus Jul 2012 #57
Oregon?? NMDemDist2 Jul 2012 #60
Would Oregon be more pro-business than Washington FarCenter Jul 2012 #61
.... NMDemDist2 Jul 2012 #64
But there's no sales tax in Oregon. wickerwoman Jul 2012 #75
74.8 % of all statistics deaniac21 Jul 2012 #20
The link I posted gives the sources for the stats cited. n/t white_wolf Jul 2012 #21
Please reference reply #20 deaniac21 Jul 2012 #24
Oh yeah, where did you get that stat? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #56
I made it up on the spot. Are you slow to catch on? deaniac21 Jul 2012 #69
I was joking . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #70
I think I was drunk........... deaniac21 Jul 2012 #81
I live in Georgia and I love it. RebelOne Jul 2012 #25
annotated rant.... frankroberts Jul 2012 #26
That made me laugh. Great rant n/t. white_wolf Jul 2012 #29
Very juvenile. cordelia Jul 2012 #63
what? frankroberts Jul 2012 #71
I don't give a fuck about the language. cordelia Jul 2012 #74
oh frankroberts Jul 2012 #80
This is absurd. Low life expectancy doesn't mean if you move there you'll die. nolabear Jul 2012 #32
I like Kentucky, but I already live in Pennsyltucky so it wouldn't be much of a change. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #36
now I wonder how NM got itself in that rogues' gallery? mitchtv Jul 2012 #37
Another way choose SDjack Jul 2012 #38
South Dakota taxes food and there are local sales taxes. libinnyandia Jul 2012 #53
I was reading recently that Oklahoma was one of the best madokie Jul 2012 #41
No place on that list I'd want to retire to. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #43
Another reason the south is popular for retirees... HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #45
In the South, I spend half of the year indoors during the summer! amandabeech Jul 2012 #73
Here in south central Montana with the climate change the sorefeet Jul 2012 #46
stop attacking the South, don't confuse me with facts and statistics! quinnox Jul 2012 #47
So, tell me all about the quality of life of Philidelphia in February? SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #58
Reasons WHY we moved to the Ouachita Mountains of Arkansas for early retirement: bvar22 Jul 2012 #51
Beautiful place. Enjoy! virgogal Jul 2012 #59
Ouchita Mountains EffieH Mar 2013 #82
Hi. bvar22 Mar 2013 #83
South Carolina? Somebody needs to... GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #65
I love Los Angeles We are Devo Jul 2012 #68
I been to them all riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #76
So much about what makes a state or locality desirable is in the eye of the beholder. SheilaT Jul 2012 #77
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