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Showing Original Post only (View all)I will not apologize for suspecting those who advocate violence might be guilty of violence [View all]
"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands"
-Former NRA President Charlton Heston
-Former NRA President Charlton Heston
"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches."
-Right-wing radio host G. Gordon Liddy
"Obama, hes a piece of sh**. I told him to suck on my machine gun." "Hey Hillary, You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.
-NRA Board Member Ted Nugent who was waving an assault rifle in the air as he spoke these words
-NRA Board Member Ted Nugent who was waving an assault rifle in the air as he spoke these words
These quotes represent just three of the many pieces of violent rhetoric that has come from the right-wing in recent years. The people who said these disgusting things were not just random right-wingers, they are people who were given giant microphones by the far right.
The right-wing leaders who uttered these disgusting words were not held accountable, G. Gordon Liddy continued to host his radio show, Charlton Heston's "cold dead hands" line was not only cheered by his supporters but was printed onto bumper stickers by the NRA, and Ted Nugent has continued to be reelected to the NRA Board of Directors and provided a microphone to make other violent threats.
Yesterday a tragedy struck in Boston, it happened on Tax Day just a short distance from the site of the original Boston Tea Party. As of right now we don't know exactly who set off the bombs in Boston, but it is certainly not a stretch to see the symbolism of Tax Day and suspect that it might be right-wing extremists who carried this attack out.
Now people tell me that we should wait for the facts to come in before we voice our suspicions, but I feel that we have been seeing the facts for far too long and I can not pretend that these facts do not exist. They may not be facts that point to a specific individual, but they are facts that do raise a lot of suspicions.
The fact is that we have heard far too much of the "from my cold dead hands" rhetoric, we have seen far too many nutty right-wingers tell us that they need an arsenal of guns to protect themselves from the government. They have made no secret of the fact that they dream of using their guns to violently overthrow the government, they want us to think that their guns are needed to protect us from government tyranny. Of course in their world tyranny means allowing gay people to get married and providing health care to poor people.
When I hear violent rhetoric I suspect that at least some of the people pushing that rhetoric are violent people themselves, and when a Tax Day attack happens they are going to be the first people I suspect. The reason I suspect them is based on their behavior, if they did not promote violence I would not suspect them no matter how much I disagreed with them. I disagree with nearly all Republicans, but the vast majority of Republicans I would never suspect of committing a violent act such as this one. There is a small group of them however that does seem extremely dangerous to me, the people who embrace Ted Nugent's violent rhetoric are the type of people who I believe are likely to be violent themselves.
In recent months we have seen right-wingers openly carrying assault rifles into State Capitol buildings in places like Oregon and Washington in order to intimidate law makers who are working pass gun legislation. We have seen the legislators who have introduced gun control bills sent numerous death threats. This is real and it is happening right now, I can't sit and pretend that this sort of violent rhetoric does not make me suspicious.
Maybe in the end I will be proven wrong, maybe it won't be a teabagger that gets arrested maybe it will just be some crazed teenager who was had a sick idea that he thought it would be fun to unleash chaos. Even if I am wrong however I will not apologize for being suspicious because it is the violent rhetoric of a certain group of people that made me suspicious of them, and if a person chooses to speak that violent rhetoric it is their own fault when the finger gets pointed at them when something happens.
The people who promote violence are not innocent, even if they did not have a direct role in planting these bombs they are still responsible for promoting acts of violence and terrorism.
I suspect this bombing was committed by a right-winger who is a fan of the sort of violent rhetoric that I posted at the top of this post. I am not going to make any apologies for voicing my suspicions before all the facts are in because there are more than enough facts to say that a certain group of people have acted in a way that has caused people to be legitimately suspicious of them. If they don't want people suspecting them of violence then they need to stop promoting violence.
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I will not apologize for suspecting those who advocate violence might be guilty of violence [View all]
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
OP
They invite your suspicion because you want them to be the ones who did this.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#10
My "vehemence" stems from my impatience with disingenuous politicking in the OP.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#20
We bomb their cities and kill their people. They have at least enough motivation.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#31
I do consider Islamic terrorists suspects too. The style doesn't quite match, but who knows.
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2013
#37
Please elaborate. What bad consequence will happen as a results of somebody publicly saying
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2013
#50
Islamist Militants routinely use hydrogen peroxide bombs. This was a pressure cooker bomb.
Maraya1969
Apr 2013
#108
Wait now. Let's apply what you just said to the people who kill abortion providers and the ones who
Maraya1969
Apr 2013
#111
So when we find right-wing extremists who said we should bomb the Boston Marathon...
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#112
Just like the abortion place bombers don't make their plans out in the open neither did the people
Maraya1969
Apr 2013
#115
Yes there is evidence that this is a home grown right winged anti-tax group or person.
Maraya1969
Apr 2013
#110
It was done in Boston. On Patriot's Day - a day to celebrate The begining of the revolutionary war
Maraya1969
Apr 2013
#116
So Tea Partiers blew up a group of marathon spectators to protest taxes...
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#117
Militant Islamic terror organizations immediately claim credit for their acts of terror.
Ikonoklast
Apr 2013
#56
Anybody who thinks they know who committed this attack with zero evidence.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#12
"Thinks they know" and "suspects" are NOT the same thing, you know that, don't you?
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2013
#14
You DON'T know the difference? OK, I'll explain it to you verrrry slowly.
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2013
#22
Well, YES! Exactly! He DOES believe he might be wrong! Isn't that what rational people do?
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2013
#33
No, he should not have stated supicion. You've finally figured out my point.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#40
I am afraid we are giving into to the very vitriol and self-assuredness that the right practices.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#58
it's not exactly rocket science: we have rw terrorists in this country
noiretextatique
Apr 2013
#126
He's right; you're wrong. He owes no one an apology, least of all the RW fascists
kestrel91316
Apr 2013
#39
Is that the best you can do? Accuse me of supporting right-wing extremists?
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#101
Which is one of the main reasons that non-violent resistance is ultimately the only way out
99th_Monkey
Apr 2013
#6
Add anyone who talks about "second amendment solutions" when they lose elections.
baldguy
Apr 2013
#11
Is it OK for people to suspect groups that have declared a Jihad against the Great Satan,
Nye Bevan
Apr 2013
#17
But one group in particular associates themselves with the site of the Boston Tea Party
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#67
But no good reason to be suspicious of any Islamist groups that have threatened violence...
Llewlladdwr
Apr 2013
#87
Notice DU's resident NRA defenders have swarmed your thread posting right-wing talking points, but
apocalypsehow
Apr 2013
#25
Am I a resident NRA defender? Or are you merely attempting to marginalize dissent?
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#29
You're extremely transparent. This country has seen far more terrorist attacks by
kestrel91316
Apr 2013
#48
I am not blaming anyone for these attacks. The bottom line is we simply don't know.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#53
Speech that encourages violence is as bad as violence. Our speculation about
kestrel91316
Apr 2013
#85
I really don't care who or what you are. You are trying to divert attention from the extreme right.
firenewt
Apr 2013
#52
No apology necessary. Of course these whacko right wing extremist groups are prime suspects
quinnox
Apr 2013
#43
ANYONE could do a false flag & blame PO for a false flag. Or it could be an entirely 3rd thing trian
patrice
Apr 2013
#55
I reject violent rhetoric whether it comes from the left or right or anywhere in between.
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#71
I don't so much object, as find it interesting, that you come to DU and sound like Alex Jones.
MH1
Apr 2013
#77
Speculation doesn't require anything, as long as it is acknowledged as speculation.
MH1
Apr 2013
#82
I'm guessing it is an essentially apolitical severely psychotic- James Holmes-Colorado Shooting
Douglas Carpenter
Apr 2013
#79
I personally am not too worried that the investigators will look the other way because of my post
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#120
of course, this kind of violence is a by a product of the gun culture no matter where it originated
bowens43
Apr 2013
#91
It's not just gun culture though. It's our overall culture of violence.
Gravitycollapse
Apr 2013
#96