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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
80. Anybody who could make a statement like that must have been in a cave since 1993
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jun 2013

Just look at the credit reporting companies for example. They have far less access to information than the Federal Government, yet they have a dossier on nearly every adult in this country that has some 400 descriptive statistics that tell them everything anybody would ever want to know about your financial life.

Look at what Google has been able to do just with their access to gmail content.

Let me paint a picture for anybody who really hasn't been paying any attention for the past 20 years. Here is how it would work. If this isn't already in place, it will be.

They can correlate the cell phone numbers with your identity. They know whom the numbers belong to. If they don't already have access to all that information that Equifax maintains on you, they can get it with a FISA warrant -- just have to find a friendly judge. Now they correlate your spending habits with your phone patterns. They can correlate that with any police activity. Every been arrested at a protest, for example? That can go into your "National security score". And now let's look at your online fingerprints. Do you engage in any political discussion, and is any of that hostile to the government? If so, maybe you are a threat. Correlation isn't automatic because most people use handles. But a small amount of investigation can make those connections.

And so on. The data is endless. Oh, and now they are getting location information from your personal tracking devices (aka cell phones). Were you near Boston around the time of the marathon? Oh, that could be bad for your "national security score".

OK. Next you "Googleize" those profiles. Some people will naturally have very high "National security scores" indicating they may be, how shall we say, "un-American". So we look at their circle of friends. If you have ever received a phone call from one of these suspects, that hurts your own score, and that in turn hurts the scores of everyone else in your circle of friends. So if you know somebody who knows somebody who knows the shoe bomber, that's very bad for your score. How do you like them apples, Kevin Bacon?

Have you ever been surprised by something on your credit report -- maybe identity theft, or a merchant got some information wrong? It is easy to get bad data into the database, and very hard to get it out. And that is when you have the right to look at the reports. Ladies and gentlemen, you have no right to look at your "national security score". That would only help the terrorists.

Is this description plain enough? Is there anybody who does not believe this is exactly where that data is headed?

This exposure makes Bush and congress look bad, not Obama. Please come down from there! NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1
How does the sand taste? Twofish Jun 2013 #50
huh? Kali Jun 2013 #109
lmgtfy Twofish Jun 2013 #110
Spot the f*ck on madokie Jun 2013 #2
I think those being "manipulated" were always Cha Jun 2013 #3
Hush Truth!!! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #35
If Obama wants political support DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #4
he could listen to the american people usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #6
the American People's lips have been sealed on the subject for years. uncle ray Jun 2013 #90
People who brought up concerns about these issues in the past Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #111
Again, nobody is spying on you maxrandb Jun 2013 #9
Since I work at a bank, I know exactly under what circumstances the government can DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #15
And you know what maxrandb Jun 2013 #22
I refer you to Ben Franklin. You know the quote. Chew on it awhile. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #23
I know the quote maxrandb Jun 2013 #26
He said that PRIOR to the American Revolution Occulus Jun 2013 #34
Oh and where I work Iliyah Jun 2013 #36
That's B.S. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #37
You know, IMO, principle is more important... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2013 #51
B.S. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #53
Yeah,well more people want mercymechap Jun 2013 #62
I've asked how ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #67
Well, get yourself all comfty-cozy, Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #85
Actually, a lot of Americans died for our freedom. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #57
Not this century ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #69
Jim Crow and Stonewall were in the 20th century as was JDPriestly Jun 2013 #75
And for that reason mercymechap Jun 2013 #78
I said "except" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #79
Yes. WWII was about freedom. I lived in Germany and Austria JDPriestly Jun 2013 #82
And who is subpoenaing mercymechap Jun 2013 #77
I don't think you understand the scope of what is going on here. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #56
And??? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #70
Here. Maybe this guy can explain the problem. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #76
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #97
You're one of the ones mercymechap Jun 2013 #60
I'm one of the ones who believes in both basic liberties and good police work DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #105
Yeah, well considering how long it mercymechap Jun 2013 #114
You staked out a coward's position. You live with it. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #115
To the contrary - mercymechap Jun 2013 #116
+1 forestpath Jun 2013 #20
pfttttth cliffordu Jun 2013 #30
Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2013 #40
How could Obama "bury that fact for 25 years"? brush Jun 2013 #45
Wrong direction. The warrant wasn't to have become public for 25 years DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #89
Why do you assume Obama "wants public support"? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #64
Oh I too love the 'secret courts', the 'secret trials' and the 'secrets prisons'...indeed. /sarcasm Purveyor Jun 2013 #5
don't forget secret FEMA camps greenman3610 Jun 2013 #8
Didn't forget them as they don't exist. You dispute the other three I mentioned? eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #17
No FEMA camps, but we sure do have private prisons that JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59
Good pick up. Noticed that as well. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #11
Are you really that naive? maxrandb Jun 2013 #18
If you don't want to be like Communist Russia DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #21
Really??? maxrandb Jun 2013 #24
Strawmen are for amateurs. Get serious, or tend to different parts of your thread. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #25
You compare America to Stalin's Russia maxrandb Jun 2013 #27
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #38
Again..... cliffordu Jun 2013 #31
Was that comment supposed to be a joke? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #54
i think the nsa metadata collection is bullshit but find the current outrage over it suspicious arely staircase Jun 2013 #7
Of course they have maxrandb Jun 2013 #13
I believe that Obama voted to retroactively excuse the phone JDPriestly Jun 2013 #61
no he support it, obviously arely staircase Jun 2013 #84
They don't need to discourage everyone. A small percentage is enough to flip a close election. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #10
They found judges to repeatedly issue warrants. Beats me how GoneFishin Jun 2013 #12
It is called "Judge Shopping" BlueStreak Jun 2013 #66
Were you on another planet in 2000? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #14
Again, we have a way to influence that maxrandb Jun 2013 #19
Stop making sense already BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #101
The co-author of the wapo story, Laura Poitras certainly has reason to manufacture this scandal. She okaawhatever Jun 2013 #16
Thank you, and again Iliyah Jun 2013 #39
They're pissed because Issa's scandals didn't work. This is classic ratfucking. freshwest Jun 2013 #93
If Obama has a major terrorist attack-say buhbye to Dems for a generation. ErikJ Jun 2013 #28
What the fuck? Zoeisright Jun 2013 #44
One word-BENGHAZI: ErikJ Jun 2013 #48
and Bush won reelection BlueStreak Jun 2013 #68
The Repugs through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have stacked the deck in the Courts of Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #29
Part Of Jim DeMint's "Don't Legislate, Instead Focus On Scandal" DallasNE Jun 2013 #32
Yes, memo states that. Iliyah Jun 2013 #46
Who cares? This is the first I have heard that suggested how JDPriestly Jun 2013 #63
It was all the phone companies. We're talking about Verizon because that's the one that leaked. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #71
You are probably right. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #72
The Reporting On This Is Rotten To The Core DallasNE Jun 2013 #107
Obama could very easily solve that problem by stopping the programs. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #108
But We Have Known The Broad Outline Of These Programs Since 2006 DallasNE Jun 2013 #81
Obama promised to stop these indiscriminate collections of JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83
I, For One, Would Like To See A Report Outlining DallasNE Jun 2013 #87
Agreed. If this has only netted a few alleged terrorists, it isn't worth JDPriestly Jun 2013 #92
No he didn't maxrandb Jun 2013 #112
Just listen to what the whistleblower is saying. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #113
Obama & Dem Leadership quick to denounce extra scrutiny of Tea Party but not the extra scrutiny of usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33
It's been a pattern with the president Doctor_J Jun 2013 #103
Amen! oldandhappy Jun 2013 #41
The President himself has admitted it!!! caseymoz Jun 2013 #42
YES, why did obama yesterday demand an investigation of the LEAK if this is old news?? boilerbabe Jun 2013 #58
Particularly considering he isn't running for anything anyway. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #73
Yep. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #43
"The fucking government is not listening to your phone call or reading your e-mail." rhett o rick Jun 2013 #47
Anybody who could make a statement like that must have been in a cave since 1993 BlueStreak Jun 2013 #80
You say they have been in a cave, I call it their denial bubble. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #99
Agreed. That's a lot of calls to be listening to brush Jun 2013 #96
I've said this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #49
So. Let Obama renounce this surveillance that is indiscriminate JDPriestly Jun 2013 #65
First ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #74
Yes, now I know why the troglodytes all us dummies. I've been disappointed at the lack of thought. freshwest Jun 2013 #95
I have to constantly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #98
Gore's a Teabag dupe and so's fighting expansion of Bush programs--got it! MisterP Jun 2013 #52
You mean the "Judicial system" that oks torture, Citizens United, Bush v. Gore, etc...? Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #55
Yeah, but who am I supposed to vote for? Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #86
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Hell, I'll shout it from the rooftops. Initech Jun 2013 #88
So true. ucrdem Jun 2013 #91
oh my word. come back to reality. learn just a fucking wee bit from the history cali Jun 2013 #94
Dress it up any way you like... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #100
The president could help the situation by adopting some Dem and liberal causes Doctor_J Jun 2013 #102
A Teabag Majority would make it easier for "bipartisanship" blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #104
See, it's ALL OUR FAULT that we don't buy into the LIES from DC. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #106
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