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flamingdem

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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:00 AM Jun 2013

The Errors of Edward Snowden and His Global Hypocrisy Tour - Vanity Fair [View all]

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/06/errors-edward-snowden-global-hypocrisy-tour

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Take the actions involving Tsinghua University. There are many reasons the N.S.A. would be interested in communications and computer activities at this Beijing-based school. For example, beginning in the past decade or so, university programs on arms control have played an important role in the Chinese government’s efforts to administer export controls on sensitive items. (For those wishing to know more, this is well detailed in a book published by the Rand Corporation called Chasing the Dragon: Assessing China’s System of Export Controls for WMD-Related Goods and Technologies.) Now, perhaps the most prominent university program in China on arms control is at—you guessed it—Tsinghua University. So, do you think there might be a reason why the N.S.A. would want to know about any communications on arms control that might take place between the Chinese government and Tsinghua?

The importance of China in global arms-control issues is hard to understate, even in American negotiations with Russia over proposals on nuclear-arms reduction. As Richard Weitz, a senior fellow and director of the Center for Political-Military Affairs at Hudson Institute, wrote last year:

China’s continued absence from strategic nuclear arms control negotiations is already impeding U.S.-Russian progress in this area. Beijing has traditionally resisted participating in formal nuclear arms control agreements. . . . Whereas U.S. officials want the next major nuclear arms reduction agreement to include only Russia and the United States, Russian negotiators want China and other nuclear weapons states to participate. In particular, Russian representatives insist they cannot reduce their major holdings of nonstrategic, or tactical, nuclear weapons without considering China’s growing military potential. Involving China in certain U.S.-Russian arms control processes could facilitate progress between Moscow and Washington in these areas and yield ancillary benefits for related issues.

Is this the reason for the N.S.A.’s activities at Tsinghua? My intel friend held it out as a good, educated guess, but then made a broader point. Contrary to the depictions in movies, the N.S.A. does not engage in foreign surveillance as part of some James Bond–ian plot to take over the world. Decisions are based on the national-security needs of the United States. Actions at Tsinghua are not arbitrary; there is a national-security reason they are being done, whether about arms-control policies in China, something else altogether, or both.

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Good article--I remember some of that stuff VERY clearly.... MADem Jun 2013 #1
LOL. China is bad. Therefore, we must allow our own government to spy on us. Gotcha. PSPS Jun 2013 #2
How 'bout nsa is not all bad, and we will lose out on critical intelligence flamingdem Jun 2013 #3
NSA not all bad, therefore we must let it do whatever is required, no matter how awful MNBrewer Jun 2013 #5
Holy Shit Is That Person Still Using Nerd Butt? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #7
I was considering changing to nerd arse nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #9
It's the popular new term at the "cool kids table" in the Jr. High School lunch room, I guess. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #11
They must say it in between flipping their hair. HangOnKids Jun 2013 #15
No, I think the cool kids are the ones ragging on members in the Barack Obama Group. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #17
oh, my sides!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #19
I hope that there's a lot of examination and rethinking about surveillance flamingdem Jun 2013 #8
Many Here Understand Plenty HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20
Oh so you're into sarcasm that's not easy to decipher flamingdem Jun 2013 #22
Gee Your Word Salad Is Mighty Tasty HangOnKids Jun 2013 #26
It goes well with blue links and copy pasta. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #62
Oh Binka... SidDithers Jun 2013 #100
Not just one zombie, I think he/she split into 3 flamingdem Jun 2013 #103
Yes, that "critical intelligence" in my email and phone calls. Gotcha. PSPS Jun 2013 #12
wtf? Just read the article, it nuanced, your list isn't!! nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #14
Nuance...a fancy French word for "grab your ankles" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #16
so you didn't read the article. too bad, you might have learned something KittyWampus Jun 2013 #18
Whose perspective, is the question... MNBrewer Jun 2013 #21
How's this for fucking "nuance" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #23
Snowdinistas are few and far between flamingdem Jun 2013 #24
Love your appropriation of lingo MNBrewer Jun 2013 #25
You mean for Democratic Party Election wins? flamingdem Jun 2013 #27
Partei, Partei, über Alles. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #28
MNBrewer seems to be an ally of Hangonkids flamingdem Jun 2013 #29
And KittyWampus and Whisp and Cha and sheshe2 seem to be your BFFs HangOnKids Jun 2013 #31
I Think We Must Stop Our "Secret Club" They Are On To Us! n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #32
That's not the point. Snowden has shot himself in the foot by taking the focus off the information pnwmom Jun 2013 #40
As long as he hasn't shot himself in the balls like he said leakers should be shot Cha Jun 2013 #48
hard to know-- maybe that was a game he was playing to get in with the right people NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #77
... MH1 Jun 2013 #88
No, it's not hard at all. Cha Jun 2013 #94
he just had a convenient change of heart? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #99
Yes, prior to this, nobody knew there even was a NSA. PSPS Jun 2013 #50
I'm not saying you should be happy IF NSA is doing what Greenwald/Snowden claim in the US. pnwmom Jun 2013 #55
I guess the government admitting to the programs aim nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #56
no, therefore snowden shouldn't committ espionage on their behalf arely staircase Jun 2013 #63
your government isn't spying on you snooper2 Jun 2013 #70
We are heading into a Cold War with China the same way we did with the USSR Taverner Jun 2013 #4
Wouldn't it make some sense to have an intelligence edge to smooth things out? flamingdem Jun 2013 #6
If we did, it should all be public Taverner Jun 2013 #54
GREAT article! Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #10
I think some of us intuited this flamingdem Jun 2013 #13
How astutely said railsback Jun 2013 #30
Yes, very personal attacks flamingdem Jun 2013 #34
Yeah, the hypocrisy is stunning. railsback Jun 2013 #37
Snowden and Greenwald are negative angle? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #33
waiting for your twin to chime in flamingdem Jun 2013 #35
Waiting for your Heathers! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #36
I've determined you are very odd flamingdem Jun 2013 #38
Posting In The Mirror Again? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #39
Sure you do Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #91
Thank you for an excellent article full of the historical background and context pnwmom Jun 2013 #41
So, if US cyber-spying on China is OK because it is in the interest of the US, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #42
The Chinese hacked next gen weaponry blueprints somehow flamingdem Jun 2013 #43
I don't know. How do you know? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #44
I know because I've been alive a loong time flamingdem Jun 2013 #45
in other words, you don't know fuckall.. frylock Jun 2013 #59
Jury Results flamingdem Jun 2013 #71
3 -3? Scurrilous Jun 2013 #76
gosh, what a relief frylock Jun 2013 #78
quote: If frylock can't debate without being a dick, he should be shown the door by MIRT. flamingdem Jun 2013 #79
well, better luck tomorrow, eh? frylock Jun 2013 #80
I like the smell of baked woodchuck in the flamingdem Jun 2013 #81
lol yeah, i've been here a minute.. frylock Jun 2013 #83
truth is flamingdem Jun 2013 #84
you're probably right. frylock Jun 2013 #86
I had to endure a meeting last night flamingdem Jun 2013 #90
By tacit agreement, all countries spy but no country admits it. FarCenter Jun 2013 #67
That is juvenile. And it completely disregards rights of individuals and JDPriestly Jun 2013 #92
China spying on the U.S. creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #95
But it doesn't work out for the people, whether Chinese or American. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #98
K&R I love Vanity Fair Number23 Jun 2013 #46
@#$% Vanity Fair Fascists. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #60
but.. but.. a half billion Chinese women can't be wrong! flamingdem Jun 2013 #73
ugh, these are the same sources which said Mark Zuckerberg was handsome and his Chinese American JI7 Jun 2013 #96
I do remember that flamingdem Jun 2013 #97
I just saw that on another site.. Kurt Eichenwald is so over Ed Snowden.. Cha Jun 2013 #47
Don't care about the Snowden Opera. I do care about STELLARWIND TalkingDog Jun 2013 #49
yes, there do seem to be endless attempts to make the story about Snowden, not the spying NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #68
A very well-reasoned demolition of Snowden's absurd presumptuousness BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #51
Directing us to books by the Rand Corporation!?! Really? Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #52
Article is worth the read LeftInTX Jun 2013 #53
LOL - ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #58
As I told you before... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #57
I have very few issues with exposing domestic surveillance. haele Jun 2013 #66
You know reading foreign press on this has been fascinating nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #72
Pretty sure it has links. Vanity Fair always seems to run exposes on the financial or MIC corps haele Jun 2013 #75
Well it could be a slow hang out nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #87
Reports are that his data has been taken in China flamingdem Jun 2013 #89
the damage this traitor has done to this country is stunning. arely staircase Jun 2013 #61
oh BS-- like they didn't know. NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #64
apparantly they didn't know the specific IP addresses, given their glee at finding out arely staircase Jun 2013 #69
where does it say he gave out IP addresses? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #82
in his interview with a Chinese newspaper arely staircase Jun 2013 #85
Thanks... although I thought you meant IP addresses of US computers NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #93
Kick and REC! zappaman Jun 2013 #65
I like this part: ProSense Jun 2013 #74
The whole sordid tale reeks of hypocrisy.. DCBob Jun 2013 #101
I smelt this guy Snowden a fake from the very beginning n/t. But didn't realize his stupidity. JackN415 Jun 2013 #102
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