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In reply to the discussion: Stopping abortions. [View all]

MH1

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26. True, although
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:09 PM
Sep 2013

I personally have no problem with "sin taxes" that raise the price for unhealthy behavior. (I know that puts me at odds with a lot here, and you are absolutely correct that it is a widely controversial position.)

A brief defense of that position: If we are going to have a public health system - particularly single payer where the payer is the taxpayer (who else would it be?) - and I am ALL for that - then one way to keep costs down is to discourage the worst behaviors and encourage the best behaviors.

IMO, making birth control low-cost (preferably free), easily accessible, and encouraging its use, is the positive side of that same equation. If prostitution were legal at some level in this country, then taxing the transactions would be an example of the negative (discouragement) side of the equation.

I don't want to derail this thread on this side topic so I'm probably not going to continue the argument if anyone tries to rebut it. That's just how I see it.

I DO agree that we should not be increasing the negative connotation of the word "abortion" but I believe that ship has sailed. I prefer to use other terms when possible.

Stopping abortions. [View all] Scuba Sep 2013 OP
Certainly, if anti-choice groups wanted to stop abortions, rather than punish women for having sex-- hlthe2b Sep 2013 #1
Ditto! FarPoint Sep 2013 #2
True. That's why I always say that anti-abortion people don't want to actually stop abortions... Triana Sep 2013 #10
Naw. we al know that birth control and accurate sex education makes people MORE CTyankee Sep 2013 #3
There you go, throwing logic into it. hobbit709 Sep 2013 #4
But... progressoid Sep 2013 #5
It's better for the woman's health if she prevents the pregnancy LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #6
I cringe when I hear democrats say they want less abortions. boston bean Sep 2013 #8
I feel the same way. No need to perpetuate the guilt trip. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #9
Well, I want there to be fewer heart bypass operations also. MH1 Sep 2013 #14
People aren't passing laws trying to outlaw heart bypass operations. boston bean Sep 2013 #15
I agree, but I don't know of many Dems trying to outlaw abortion, either. MH1 Sep 2013 #18
A heart by pass operation is a good procedure boston bean Sep 2013 #19
Agreed, but if there is an action that reduces heart bypass operations by 71% MH1 Sep 2013 #24
Not by using laws and placing restrictions on people. boston bean Sep 2013 #25
True, although MH1 Sep 2013 #26
I personally prefer the argument that its the woman's body, therefore it is solely her choice. (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #21
Here's the difficulty in wiping away the guilt LittleBlue Sep 2013 #27
But, but, but OnionPatch Sep 2013 #7
And we would be paying for their godless fornication out of our OWN POCKETS! Squinch Sep 2013 #11
Us men mostly have that right already. RC Sep 2013 #13
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PP helps with that, but I don't know that they provide it free to all comers. MH1 Sep 2013 #16
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Aw, dang, I was busy writing up a reply to "lotus flower" MH1 Sep 2013 #22
but...see there ultimate goal is stopping sex. alphafemale Sep 2013 #20
Before the 9th week kskiska Sep 2013 #23
It could but it might not jmowreader Sep 2013 #28
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