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Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
47. I live in Oklahoma
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 12:19 PM
Oct 2013

until recently Norman,the home of the University of Oklahoma,the most liberal county in the state.
In 1993 it was tough to get a job,luckily my uncle in Montana was considering buying a semi-tractor and driving over the road.
He was hauling red cedar out of Canada on the back of a flatbed 3-ton he had bought at auction.
So i went to MT to help him.
The town was extremely depressed,the forestry had taken a huge hit by Reagan and so nearly all of the 3800+souls there were on foodstamps.
The locals had a pretty good barter system in place where foodstamps were exchanged for bullets and beer with the staple diet being in this order;beer,venison,elk,fish and potatoes and in season berries and apples or whatever they could grub.
The majority of people in town lived in pickup campers at the town dump by the river.

At the time this was the most conservative place that i had ever seen and they did not appreciate me laying the blame for their misfortune at reagan's feet.
It was always someone else's fault(usually minorities)but never their own and never the fault of republicans.
Then i started working in Canada,which in most ways was no different than what was going on in my new home.
I had started a friendship with some of the local Indian folks about my age,descendents of the dog people.
I mentioned to a friend about the observation that there were just as many hillbillies in western Canada as in the US,he just nodded sagely and replied(paraphrasing)Where ever there is white people there is white trash.
Later,i would verify his theory traveling all over the northern states and now via the interwebnitudes and having correspondence with people in northern Europe,i can verify;wherever there are white people,there you will find rednecks.

In my new home town in the year 2013,there are people who wander the town,drunk and scruffy with backpacks and American Flags invariably poking out of the flaps,looking for day jobs and handouts.
I have to look back and think how lucky that i have been and wish these poor people would quit blaming everyone else and educate themselves.

I love Michigan by the way.
I used to love to see the kids getting ready for Hackey season by testing the thickness of the ice like we used to test if the water was warm enough to swim by sticking a toe in in the spring time.

A northerner's view of the south. [View all] JNelson6563 Oct 2013 OP
Thank you Julie...that's an incredible post. Much appreciated.. KoKo Oct 2013 #1
This Cheesehead sees the same things as Julie. Scuba Oct 2013 #2
Born and raised in AL... TroglodyteScholar Oct 2013 #3
We have to give the Tea Party credit where credit is due - hedgehog Oct 2013 #4
This nails it!--don't blame the South, per se..... lastlib Oct 2013 #23
Responsible voting is the answer. Chipper Chat Oct 2013 #5
+1 Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #15
Great words, let the bridges be built..... Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #6
Julie, you are a Voice of Reason ... Martin Eden Oct 2013 #7
My hat is off to you kind lady. JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #8
It's everywhere... pipi_k Oct 2013 #9
You would be surprised by how many rednecks live in Oregon N/T Dpm12 Oct 2013 #10
You would be surprised by the number of rednecks in Oregon NT Dpm12 Oct 2013 #11
Here's a map showing concentrations of tea party-type voters: surprise! They're all over. 7962 Oct 2013 #12
Like roaches. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #48
thank you. Julie Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #13
Thank you for providing a great message. TexasTowelie Oct 2013 #14
Agreed. 99Forever Oct 2013 #16
I predict she wont run in 2014. Chipper Chat Oct 2013 #33
Ms Teabagger has already... 99Forever Oct 2013 #37
Good riddance. Chipper Chat Oct 2013 #39
She has her congressional pension sewed up... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #49
Nothing wrong with the south MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #17
This Michigander agrees, and is appalled at the state's Tea Party takeover Faygo Kid Oct 2013 #18
This Southern Progressive thanks you! MynameisBlarney Oct 2013 #19
K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2013 #20
I grew up in the heart of Liberal America - the People's Republic of Boulder, gtar100 Oct 2013 #21
''Julie--who thinks unity is the only way we'll get anywhere'' DeSwiss Oct 2013 #22
Your generosity. Many in the south love their civil war stance still. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2013 #24
Thank you for the words of blue14u Oct 2013 #25
Born and raised in South Carolina and living there now stage left Oct 2013 #26
Welcome to DU... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #51
that was really well written.. stillcool Oct 2013 #27
re:A northerner's view of the south. allan01 Oct 2013 #28
I am a proud southern progressive. dotymed Oct 2013 #29
I was in Michigan when Detroit elected Colman Young.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #30
The laws for redistricting and the electoral college MUST change. They are causing the collapse of judesedit Oct 2013 #31
Northerner from michigan pamdb Oct 2013 #32
Very well said, my friend skepticscott Oct 2013 #34
You can sit on my porch any time. nolabear Oct 2013 #35
I love Julie--who thinks unity is the only way we'll get anywhere TexasProgresive Oct 2013 #36
+1! Ramble on! It is discouraging on many levels. Dustlawyer Oct 2013 #38
Wow, thank you responders! JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #40
Mahalo, ,Julie.. Brilliant observation, Cha Oct 2013 #41
From another Michigander, Bravo! nt MrScorpio Oct 2013 #42
We are allies. We are one nation. ananda Oct 2013 #43
I live in the Pacific Northwest, LWolf Oct 2013 #44
Thank you very much for this, Julie. cordelia Oct 2013 #45
It's like you read a chapter out of my life in NC, love it! SaveAmerica Oct 2013 #46
I live in Oklahoma Rain Mcloud Oct 2013 #47
I'll add that a welcoming inclusiveness is the only way to bring in disaffected redsters. ancianita Oct 2013 #50
Thanks, Julie. StrayKat Oct 2013 #52
Also, StrayKat Oct 2013 #54
Right on the money Julie! erinlough Oct 2013 #53
Thanks so much. A much-needed post. Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #55
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