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hfojvt

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37. but isn't that really the point?
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:31 PM
Dec 2013

"Was every soldier at Wounded Knee a blood-thirsty monster?"

The point of this story, the way you tell it, seems to be to say "MANY of them were" and to point an accusing finger at the WHOLE United States of America.

It seems kind of odd, to read what Miles says, that apparently he feels that troops and warriors should have been arrayed differently. "The disposition of his troops was such that in firing upon the warriors they fired directly towards their own lines and also into the camp of the women and children."

And he calls that bad troop arrangement "reprehensible."

Yet the bad troop arrangement would have caused ZERO harm, if some of the Indians had not been stirred up by that medicine man and decided to start shooting. (at least in the accounting of Wells).

And if another post in this thread is to be believed, Miles himself caused quite a bit of death of women and children by his own deliberate orders (rather than by his incompetent troop arrangement).

You make an "obvious conclusion" that women and children were hunted down and killed. Yet other accounts say that most of the deaths happened in the first few minutes. Especially with the rapid firing of the Hotchkiss guns.

And Dewey Beard recounts that people were called from hiding places and then killed, but Wells account has him calling people from hiding (and he would have the language they understood, unlike most of the others there) and rescuing them.

And there is no way to really know, is there. If soldiers were hunting down those escaping in order to capture them, but the people fleeing, naturally being frightened, might not have allowed a capture without a fight. But we do know, for a fact, a fact that you conveniently left out of your OP, that 51 who did give up, or were unable to flee or fight, were captured and then taken care of - and NOT executed.

K&R n/t intaglio Dec 2013 #1
Murka! edhopper Dec 2013 #2
Such a devastating travesty... kdmorris Dec 2013 #3
The living back then knew from their own newspapers. But this subject has been buried even deeper jwirr Dec 2013 #8
Good point kdmorris Dec 2013 #11
Columbus awarded, and his men prefered girls between the ages of 9-10 mikekohr Dec 2013 #49
23 medals of "honor"? panader0 Dec 2013 #4
This country was founded in bloodshed tblue Dec 2013 #26
Upsets me just reading this. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #5
The Ghost Dance riverwalker Dec 2013 #6
all of you who have not yet seen this video, please watch it. so horrible, so sad. the savagery niyad Dec 2013 #20
Robbie Robertson: tblue Dec 2013 #27
Which just goes to show how much a medal of honor is worth. Absolutely nothing unless the actions jwirr Dec 2013 #7
Bury my heart at Wounded Knee Berlum Dec 2013 #9
Thanks for posting this newfie11 Dec 2013 #10
the sand creek massacre--29 nov 1864 niyad Dec 2013 #12
After Custer's annihilation nilesobek Dec 2013 #13
welcome to DU. terrible, reprehensible and shameful, exactly. niyad Dec 2013 #22
Just yesterday ... CountAllVotes Dec 2013 #14
I've been to Pine Ridge many times. I've never experienced anything but hospitality and friendship mikekohr Dec 2013 #16
I've been to the Black Hills myself CountAllVotes Dec 2013 #17
I live in the Black Hills and that's news to me newfie11 Dec 2013 #31
that is a beautiful pic, mike, and thank you for sharing. niyad Dec 2013 #24
For 15 years I was on a medical mobile unit newfie11 Dec 2013 #32
I was there in 1970s at the time of the take over then. Even with the terrible events that were jwirr Dec 2013 #46
Absolutely horrific. DLevine Dec 2013 #15
Indeed, JEB Dec 2013 #18
General Nelson A Miles Letter regarding Wounded Knee- March 13, 1917 mikekohr Dec 2013 #19
It seems like the guilt nilesobek Dec 2013 #36
The myth of our nation's greatness and blessed nature yet remains. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #21
WARNING: Disturbing photographs Generic Other Dec 2013 #23
Disturbing indeed dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #25
K&R OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #28
Whoa!!!! heaven05 Dec 2013 #29
"What has happened has happened and can not be changed. We must find a way mikekohr Dec 2013 #35
why is that day darker than these days in August, 1862 hfojvt Dec 2013 #38
"If they are hungry let them eat grass or their own dung." Trader Andrew Myrick 1862 mikekohr Dec 2013 #39
It's good to know your own history heaven05 Dec 2013 #43
Having done some genealogy in that period of time in the NW Iowa area I will add that it was not jwirr Dec 2013 #44
There are a number of memorials regarding the insident all the way from Northern Iowa to the New jwirr Dec 2013 #45
War Within War: Lincoln and the U.S.-Dakota War of 1862 . mikekohr Dec 2013 #48
of course, it simply MUST be mis-remembered every year hfojvt Dec 2013 #30
A very interesting account of a terrible day Generic Other Dec 2013 #33
4 of the wounded were Lakota men, the 47 remaining wounded were Lakota women and children mikekohr Dec 2013 #34
but isn't that really the point? hfojvt Dec 2013 #37
There is overwhelming evidence and testimony from both Native and Non-Native witness's mikekohr Dec 2013 #41
Now, we do it with drones. No horses, rifles, sabers, or conscious required. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #40
1890: Dakota doctor witnesses Wounded Knee aftermath mikekohr Dec 2013 #42
Sadly... kicked RobertEarl Dec 2013 #47
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