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In reply to the discussion: Pro-Russian Ukrainians attacked by "uniformed vigilantes" in eastern Ukraine. [View all]newthinking
(3,982 posts)40. Facts can be so inconvenient when they don't fit with your preconceived notions
One of the reasons you don't see everything on western press is because Svoboda has basically been put in charge of "freedom of speech" and they are heavily censuring media. See the video below" That is a member of Parliment and leader of the Svoboda party roughing up the head of a tv station there.
No, there is no violence against anti-maidan! right
2 Killed, 5 Injured In Shooting In Central Kharkiv (Right Sector shoots at Pro-Russian activists)
(Not the best translation (below), events are as follows:
*A Blue Van pulled up and shot automatic weapons at a group of "Pro-Russian activists" near the square
*Some of the activists regognized the van as one that had also shot at people on March 8th
* The van tried to flee but activists followed on motorcycles
*The Van fled to a "Patriot of Ukraine" office and tried to hide inside.
*"Kharkiv Self-Defence" representatives (Militia) and local police gathered at the office and tried to enter and those inside (30-40 ppl) used guns and "petrol bombs" and killed one man and a passer-by, and injured 5 others including a policeman.
* Right sector took hostages in the process
*Eventually those in the building surrendered (They were surrounded by militia, 200 pro-russian activists who had arrived, and police)
http://un.ua/eng/article/498355.html
2 Killed, 5 Injured In Shooting In Central Kharkiv
Two people were killed and five injured on March 14 night in a shooting near the office of the non-government organisation Patriot of Ukraine at 18 Rymarska Street in central Kharkiv, a police spokesman has told Ukrainian News Agency. Eyewitnesses say unknown people from a blue Volkswagen T4 van were shooting from traumatic weapons at pro-Russian activists from the "Kharkiv Self-Defence" movement in Svobody Square in Kharkiv on March 14 evening. Eyewitnesses maintain that from the same van with Dnipropetrovsk registration number they were shooting at a car full of pro-Russian activists in Pravdy Avenue in Kharkiv on March 8. The van was hijacked.
They made several shots, threw a tear gas pot, and tried to escape, but bikers from the square set to pursuit and found out that the van approached the building at 18 Rymarska Street.
"Kharkiv Self-Defence" representatives tried to penetrate the Patriot of Ukraine office but the people inside responded with shooting from traumatic weapons through windows, and later shotgun pellets from short rifles, and also threw a stun grenade and a petrol bomb at the attackers. In the shooting one "Kharkiv Self-Defence" representative and an accidental passer-by was killed, five injured, including a policeman, who sustained a serious injury in the chest; all wounded were taken to hospital. The people inside the building took three hostages: two of the building's guardsmen and a police officer, who entered it for negotiations.
SNIP
At about 04:30 the people in the building agreed to ground arms and surrender.
Policemen removed people from the building, searched them, led into buses, and drove away.
Preliminary information, some 30 people were detained.
Ukraine PM on "Free Speech Commitee" (seriously!) doing his job
Svoboda and Right Sector are terrorizing the population with impunity (the MP in video beating up a broadcaster is still in government). It is not being covered. Why? Because they are controlling all media and anyone who reports anything negative will be assaulted or beaten. Oh, and the two largest media oligarchs are with the Government. Media is effectively muted!
Yet still some reports are getting out.
We should all be able to agree this is not right.
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Results-of-the-Ultra-in-by-George-Eliason-Anti-semitic_Anti-semitism_Crimea_Fascism-140324-700.html
Excerpts from:
Results of the "Ultra" in Maidan: Key Issues and Nuclear Weapons
By George Eliason , OpEdNews
Freedom of Expression
Today in Ukraine all social media are data-mined. The profiles are geo-located and normal people expressing their opinions are persecuted . They found this young man and took him out into the dark.
"You little F#cker! You tell the Ukrainian People you are sorry for all the sh@t you wrote on the internet!"
"I'm sorry for everything I wrote on the internet to all Ukrainian people ."
"Do you want another beating?"
"No."
"Are you going to write anymore sh@t?"
"No."
"Do you have anything to do with ultra coalminers?"
"No."
This is the new EU standard of freedom of speech in Ukraine. Freedom of speech and press are guaranteed by two men who are becoming familiar faces, Svoboda MP Igor Miroshnynchenko and party ideologist Andrey Ilyenko.
The only freedom of speech MP Igor is intent on guaranteeing is that you agree with the Ultra Nationalist line. The crime committed by the government-owned TV station was showing Vladimir Putin's speech about Crimea in its entirety. Today MP Igor is as unrepentant as the day he beat up, broke the collar bone of, and threatened Aleksandr Panteleymonov. Aleksandr was accused of being a Moskal. The Ministry of Justice is headed by Svoboda. Four days later, no charges have been filed.
[H3]As Far-Right Groups Infiltrate Kievs Institutions, the Student Movement Pushes Back [/H3]
http://www.thenation.com/article/178662/far-right-groups-infiltrate-kievs-institutions-student-movement-pushes-back
Outside the hall, a dozen self-defense volunteers with improvised helmets, breastplates and billy clubs were patrolling the building and its perimeter.
Weve been expecting Svoboda will try to kick us out, said Ilya Vlasiuk, an activist who was guarding the sealed offices on the second floor, referring to to the ultranationalist party whose militant wing has attacked progressive activists, including Vlasiuk, at the Euromaidan demonstrations around Independence Square.
[H3]Right Sector free to bully and harass people and businesses with impunity[/H3]
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Pro-Russian Ukrainians attacked by "uniformed vigilantes" in eastern Ukraine. [View all]
another_liberal
Mar 2014
OP
I hope that doesn't provide the excuse for Russia to step in and "restore order." - n/t
Jim__
Mar 2014
#1
I'm afraid that an armed conflict with Russia is just what these people want.
another_liberal
Mar 2014
#4
Interesting, so you think Faux is a legitimate news org? RT IS one of the better international news
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#17
Never watched it, did you? Just repeating what you think you are supposed to say.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#49
The full blown anti gay bias on RT should be enough to turn the stomach of
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#30
RT has talked more about Gay Rights, interviewed Russian Activists, than anything I saw on
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#50
The ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis could be doing the same hoping Russians
snappyturtle
Mar 2014
#76
There is clearly no interest on the part of major Western media to cover this story
another_liberal
Mar 2014
#11
I was asked for other sources, I found what was quickly available and offered them.
another_liberal
Mar 2014
#24
Why do you not believe the poster? I do. Not everyone is familiar with right wing sites although I
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#71
Guardian: Ukraine nationalist attacks on Russia supporters – fact or Kremlin fairyt
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#31
Facts can be so inconvenient when they don't fit with your preconceived notions
newthinking
Mar 2014
#40
Accurate Observation, Sir, About the Incident Described In The News Report Linked To In The Post
The Magistrate
Mar 2014
#46
I prefer to know the facts. Sources can be checked, and sometimes even sources we don't like
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#35
Well, for me it is about the facts and as a grown woman I am able to sort out what is
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#51
No, YOU were so concerned about sources I thought you yourself would be more careful.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#48
Here, let me explain something to you. I don't care what you or anyone reads or doesn't read.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#53
I wrote that nine months ago, you might have noted. A good deal more is known now.
another_liberal
Mar 2014
#75