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RC

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214. I have already told you, you are not going to get me to post something stupid.

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:59 PM

Mar 2014

You, on the other hand keep getting closer and closer... Why don't you take a clue. I probably won't alert on you, but other people are reading this thread too, and they just might. Is it really worth it to you?

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Rape Culture Is Real [View all] Ohio Joe Mar 2014 OP

All in favor of a rape culture resource forum? Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #1

Aye! CFLDem Mar 2014 #2

Not in favor of banishing these issues from GD. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #4

Who said banishing? Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #8

There's already a group for survivors. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #29

Which is a separate issue from this. nt Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #32

Then you're going to need to explain to me why discussions of rape culture don't belong in GD, LeftyMom Mar 2014 #55

Please tell me where I said that? Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #61

Yes, given the total lack of hostility and overwhelming support given to the issue of rape culture redqueen Mar 2014 #71

Sorry. I won't post about anything anymore. Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #86

we often have men tell us not to discuss this on gd. they way you worded, some are thinking you seabeyond Mar 2014 #92

You didn't explicitly say it, but that would be the result. cui bono Mar 2014 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #93

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #96

oh stop..... it is poster like you that make us have little patience, misunderstanding arise. now, seabeyond Mar 2014 #98

Oh, it doesn't need to be fed NoOneMan Mar 2014 #100

hate? anger? animosity? that would be the repug way. dems tend to not feel we need seabeyond Mar 2014 #102

And yet here you are with your little crumbs. cui bono Mar 2014 #136

ditto NoOneMan Mar 2014 #141

this is how i took it. lol. but... going whiny doesnt help, lol. you just do not realize how seabeyond Mar 2014 #97

i think he meant as a reference. where it would not sink and go away. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #94

Sorry, but I know DU. Hive off a group and there will be demands to move any discussions there. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #132

Careful, your agenda is showing. RC Mar 2014 #122

in your all knowing desire to diss redq, i guess you overlooked her gathering the numbers seabeyond Mar 2014 #124

How long is your shift on this thread, until you are relived? RC Mar 2014 #131

....... seabeyond Mar 2014 #135

What are you on about now? cui bono Mar 2014 #139

My post is self explanatory. RC Mar 2014 #144

There is already a group for that. cui bono Mar 2014 #145

My point is that the HoF does not advocate getting help for traumatic events that happen to women. RC Mar 2014 #152

That's not the purpose of HoF. cui bono Mar 2014 #161

HoF is a womans Group, is it not? RC Mar 2014 #170

you were condescending as fuck. and the woman that you were condescending to asked you to stop. seabeyond Mar 2014 #171

What are you talking about? RC Mar 2014 #181

That's not the purpose of a History of Feminism group. cui bono Mar 2014 #186

So what? People can't be emphatic and offer help when they see a problem? RC Mar 2014 #190

Careful, your agenda is showing. cui bono Mar 2014 #199

There is no answer Texasgal Mar 2014 #195

I ask. RC Mar 2014 #196

and I answered. Texasgal Mar 2014 #200

The real answer, if you don't want anyone to ask, is to keep it it the HoF RC Mar 2014 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2014 #203

You sure read a lot into other people post that are not there, implied, nor even meant. RC Mar 2014 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2014 #207

I have already told you, you are not going to get me to post something stupid. RC Mar 2014 #214

Lol... good riddance! demmiblue Mar 2014 #221

Well, the issue is Texasgal Mar 2014 #205

hof has a pinned Op with number for women that need help. i told him the first post he made. seabeyond Mar 2014 #208

Yeah, and apparently we Texasgal Mar 2014 #209

The problem here is, General Discussion is not the Safe Haven, History of Feminism. RC Mar 2014 #211

So what are you saying? Texasgal Mar 2014 #213

I know you are already PPR'd so this is for other people reading this thread. cui bono Apr 2014 #260

For posterity (as poster is now departed) MadrasT Apr 2014 #281

sistah...... seabeyond Apr 2014 #283

So if they "got help" then they'd stop complaining? Is that it? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #264

Because the lives of 1/4 of the population BainsBane Mar 2014 #68

Maybe others consider the OP "important" even if you don't. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #263

lioness goes into another territory, the lion attacks rapes, biological, men cant help it. seabeyond Mar 2014 #3

"are you offended that a man tells you biologically you cannot help raping women?" Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #7

then you have an issue with reading comprehension. seabeyond Mar 2014 #9

yep, he just wrote that hfojvt Mar 2014 #12

Cherry picking does not give comprehension Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #22

the statistics show that most women are not victims hfojvt Mar 2014 #65

So you are intentionally misunderstanding to enable your denial... I see Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #66

In one year. Over the course of a lifetime, 1 in 6 women are raped. antigone382 Mar 2014 #113

I'm on your side of the issue but hjvoyt or whatever his name is is right about "the norm". cui bono Mar 2014 #95

Just to be clear... That is from the article, not my words... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #99

Ah, yes, and seabeyond is right too, in her reply to me. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #108

i think the norm, is the normalization of rape in society. rape as entertainment, jokes, seabeyond Mar 2014 #101

Agree. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #107

Not based on the numbers he is using. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #119

Bahhh. You can prove anything with facts NoOneMan Mar 2014 #74

especially if you ignore definitions and make up your own for argument sake to derail. seabeyond Mar 2014 #78

Yeah, like the whole "rape culture" helps mega rich Du Pont heirs get off for incest/pedophilia NoOneMan Mar 2014 #80

not really. but, you continue to make the point. and running in this thread, to derail seabeyond Mar 2014 #82

Why is "derail" your default fallback? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #88

that is the default of certain posters. you will see it is only for a small handful. most, i do seabeyond Mar 2014 #103

That *you* perceive to be doing such.... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #104

i didnt say otherwise. so? seabeyond Mar 2014 #106

So you aren't an authority on something we call "reality" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #114

here is a clue... do not fuggin tell me what to do. you derail. i will call it. like you have seabeyond Mar 2014 #115

Since that is an ANNUAL statistic - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #118

Consider the ages women face rape Warpy Mar 2014 #133

most of my relationships with women hfojvt Apr 2014 #267

Not that you know of Warpy Apr 2014 #269

unlike you hfojvt Apr 2014 #271

it is very personal. and often a victim does not want to share it with family members. seabeyond Apr 2014 #272

You got that from the OP? ummmm... How? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #13

She's referencing a different thread gollygee Mar 2014 #16

actually the lion raping lioness is this gem. saying it is within all men and can never be stamped seabeyond Mar 2014 #20

You know... It really just makes me a little sad... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #19

It is the accusations of guilt by association joeglow3 Mar 2014 #28

Are you offended by this (see below), cause this is actually stating that men can't help themselves boston bean Mar 2014 #85

Honest answer joeglow3 Mar 2014 #91

You're not getting the drunk/consent thing gollygee Mar 2014 #117

Exactly. Drunk consensual sex is consensual sex, drunk rape is rape. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #268

btw... thank you. excellent post. and clear. anyone pretends confusion otherwise, does it seabeyond Mar 2014 #5

Wait a minute... Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #6

I shit you not, it was said right here on DU Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #11

Wow - that one left me speechless. n/t seaglass Mar 2014 #120

Excellent OP Tsiyu Mar 2014 #10

Thank you for posting this. TDale313 Mar 2014 #14

It really is a major issue... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #24

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #15

K & R In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #17

i love your thread so much, i am gonna start another discussion, off this. another OP, some smart seabeyond Mar 2014 #18

Rape Culture is when "pretty" pictures of women bound and gagged are seen as sexy and are Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #21

My first reaction to that was... NO, would not happen... Sadly... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #25

are you kidding me? the person posting them is a Lounge Host. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #27

link please newcriminal Mar 2014 #49

go ask your husband. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #51

I'm asking you newcriminal Mar 2014 #53

and I told you how to get the info. question has been asked and answered. go away. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #56

Go away? newcriminal Mar 2014 #60

Just because bondage isn't your kink CFLDem Mar 2014 #30

boy. connect the dots. no more hard to get, tying 'em up??? just sayin'. seabeyond Mar 2014 #31

fucking disgusting. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #35

some put themselves out there, make the rest wonder. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #36

what I wonder is how it is allowed to live here among us. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #38

really? you know better. and without rules, one has chaos. none of us should be surprised by chaos. seabeyond Mar 2014 #40

not naive just fucking burnt out. crispy critter is me. I am at DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND not Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #41

ya. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #44

It's called free speech Tuesday. CFLDem Mar 2014 #43

oh please with your 1A. Thank god for 2A. capiche? and I mean it. DO NOT REPLY TO ME. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #46

Really? You come to a political discussion board thucythucy Mar 2014 #70

Maybe CFLDem Mar 2014 #75

That's not how you originally stated your argument. thucythucy Mar 2014 #79

Oh my god,do you honestly not know sufrommich Mar 2014 #143

Just because you don't know anything about me doesn't mean that everything should stay. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #33

What CFLDem Mar 2014 #39

I am talking about: Leave me alone. Please. Do not ever reply to me again. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #45

But is this a place for discussing one's bondage kink? mythology Mar 2014 #52

I haven't seen it either CFLDem Mar 2014 #57

Agreed Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #62

" And while I may pick on the HoF crowd, I kid, I kid." chervilant Apr 2014 #278

Well ciao to you too. CFLDem Apr 2014 #280

A link, for reference? Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #34

Not just no but HELL NO. what context do you think is justifiable? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #37

Sorry Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #47

I regret to inform you that I am none of your business. I am right here in this thread. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #50

context for posting pretty pictures in the lounge of bound and gagged women? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #48

Why is it so hard? Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #58

Could you at least give a link? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #63

It could be a scene from a movie for all we know tkmorris Mar 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author rug Mar 2014 #126

WTF? n/t seaglass Mar 2014 #121

K&R. (nt) Paladin Mar 2014 #23

Good list. Bookmarking. nt rrneck Mar 2014 #26

K&R! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #54

Excellent explanation ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #59

Who has authority to declare that something is or isn't part of rape culture? Orrex Mar 2014 #64

Really? Which example would they disagree with? And why would that matter? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #67

Are you serious? I would think that the disagreement is fairly central to the issue. Orrex Mar 2014 #69

oh... You are spreading the bullshit that 'RAINN denies rape culture' and deny it exists yourself Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #76

As I noted, anyone who disagrees with your assessment is an enabler or a blind victim. Orrex Mar 2014 #81

"decries an overemphasis" is not denying it exists... What you said is simply not true... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #87

I know that you want to believe that. Orrex Mar 2014 #105

yes, it would be the feminist and the supporters that say RAPISTs are responsible for rape. a duh. seabeyond Mar 2014 #109

In quotes?!? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #111

It is still not a denial it exists... You are still saying something that is not true... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #116

Find me RAINN's statement declaring that rape cuture exists as you describe it to exist. Orrex Mar 2014 #125

so, if rainn has not publicly endorsed rape culture then that means they declare it does not exist? seabeyond Mar 2014 #128

So... If they don't say exactly what I posted they deny it? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #130

You haven't disproven anything, though I know that you want to believe you have. Orrex Mar 2014 #137

why not just say you were wrong. i do not expect all this from you. seabeyond Mar 2014 #138

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #147

you have jumped the shark seabeyond Mar 2014 #148

Jumping the shark is claiming "rape culture" lets a Du Pont heir off the hook for child rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #151

""rape culture" lets a Du Pont heir off the hook for child rape" that is just stupid. no one seabeyond Mar 2014 #157

"no one said anything like that." NoOneMan Mar 2014 #162

""rape culture" lets a Du Pont heir off the hook for child rape" seabeyond Mar 2014 #166

Uhhh.... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #168

btw. this would be derailing. again. another part of the thread. after playing upthread. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #158

No, you don't want to address my example of redefining "rape culture". You are derailing NoOneMan Mar 2014 #163

i am still addressing the offensive lie, there are duers that let a rapist of a baby, off the seabeyond Mar 2014 #167

Oh God. That's a straw man extraordinaire NoOneMan Mar 2014 #172

no duer lets a rapist off the hook for raping a baby. what is the matter with you. seabeyond Mar 2014 #174

Yes, because we don't have child rape culture. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2014 #178

Well then... Lets see you state Orrex's position clearly... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #142

I would be interested to hear you state clearly what you believe to be my position Orrex Mar 2014 #202

"decries an overemphasis" not denying existence. "means of preventing rape and as a cause for rape" seabeyond Mar 2014 #90

it would be nice people using rainn to counter rape culture actually read rainn. they are not sayin seabeyond Mar 2014 #77

Really? Which ones? ladyVet Mar 2014 #72

Me and thats pretty much it NoOneMan Mar 2014 #73

ahhh, thats cute... I knew the quotes would show up eventually. We even get them around misogynist Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #84

Who has the authority to declare who is and who is not a misogynist? Orrex Mar 2014 #112

Again with 'Who has the authority'... It's like we are getting into 'teach the controversy'.. Sheesh Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #123

Who in this thread has pretended that it doesn't exist? Orrex Mar 2014 #129

You have made a vague reference to someone I have no idea who you are talking about... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #134

Fortunately, you've disproven nothing. You've only insisted on your own interpretation. Orrex Mar 2014 #140

"Fortunately, you've disproven nothing."... 'But I'll change my claim'.. Too funny :) Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #146

Those claims are not at all incompatible Orrex Mar 2014 #175

Ok. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #110

Well... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #127

How do I perpetuate it or encourage it? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #159

So you think only rapists do the examples in the OP? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #164

I don't do any of what you pointed out in the OP. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #165

Do you tolerate that it does happen... Just shrug and say 'I don't do it"? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #173

Yep. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #177

It was rhetorical... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #182

I didn't read any of the replies. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #183

ahhh... You don't see them... They are hidden so well... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #185

If I cared to look for them, I would. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #187

So... You will just tolerate them... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #188

I'm trying to finish my Master's thesis. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #189

Yet you have time to hit up a bunch of these threads with the same question... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #191

I'm sure you're a shining beacon of virtue. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #192

Not everyone makes jokes about rape culture... You seem to be ok with it Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #193

It was a response to how absurd it is to attempt to ban something Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #194

That is not true and anyone can look and see that plainly Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #197

*cough* Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #210

I don't see what your claims of getting a masters has to do with your jokes about rape culture... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #215

Do you agree that jokes about sexual assault and domestic violence should be avoided? Orrex Mar 2014 #216

Yes... I also find them in extra poor taste when put in threads about it... Do you? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #217

I'm glad that we're on the same page. Orrex Mar 2014 #218

Sure, not a problem... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #220

Honestly, I don't seek them out. Orrex Mar 2014 #222

I already posted some in this sub-thread you came into but... Here they are again Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #225

Um. I'm not sure that either of those is a joke about rape culture Orrex Mar 2014 #227

Of course... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #228

Perhaps that's because your first instinct is to assume rape culture wherever you look. Orrex Mar 2014 #229

Archae admits those threads are about rape culture... Perhaps you refuse to see it Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #230

Archae's admission applies to his post, not to its replies Orrex Mar 2014 #231

wiggle wiggle wiggle Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #232

I asked you to point me to jokes about rape culture Orrex Mar 2014 #234

wiggle wiggle wiggle Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #235

So... You've got nothing. Orrex Mar 2014 #236

For somone who denies everything that is put in front of them? No... You would just deny it Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #239

Documented facts? Go on with your bad self. Orrex Mar 2014 #240

I have always admitted when I was wrong... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #242

If you had proven me wrong, I would admit it. Orrex Mar 2014 #246

No, it is not a lie, your words are still there... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #248

To answer your last question, first, *you* are lying. Orrex Apr 2014 #249

wiggle wiggle wiggle and denial again... What a shock... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #251

I'm not allowed a break once in a while? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #219

Your idea of taking a break is making jokes about rape culture... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #223

Juries have no problems with what I posted. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #224

Juries do not always get it right... What can one do... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #226

If it were you wouldn't need a dozen threads trying to redefine the word "CULTURE"... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #149

Fascinating... you openly deny rape culture... Do you deny the examples given? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #150

I reject the silly term. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #153

So you accept that the examples given occur far to regularly and that they are a problem? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #154

Any occurrence of a victimizing crime beyond zero is "far too regularly" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #156

The topic is culture. CULTURE. Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #179

Thats because you've been brainwashed by "rejection culture" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #155

LOL! Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #160

So... No answer... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #169

Having some computer issues and making dinner... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #180

Fascinating that you keep avoiding what I am asking... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #184

I don't see any avoidance here at all. Silent3 Mar 2014 #233

^^That Orrex Mar 2014 #237

I'm sorry for your reading comprehension problem... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #238

All I see is that you're angry that he isn't accepting the conversation on exactly your terms... Silent3 Mar 2014 #241

so it exists. we just are not to have a word that allows us to define the existence of it? seabeyond Mar 2014 #243

You're "allowed" to call it anything you like. Silent3 Mar 2014 #247

well. that is beyond silliness to recognize this "stuff" yet refuse to acknowledge this "stuff" seabeyond Apr 2014 #252

And where do you see any refusal to acknowledge that the various crimes, discriminatory treatment... Silent3 Apr 2014 #254

you mean the "stuff"? lmfao.... whatever. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #255

Wow... That is a real bad comprehension problem you got there... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #245

In a new post, that poster just used terms like "crime" and "horror"... Silent3 Apr 2014 #250

So... Tell me if I'm understanding you correctly... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #253

it is "stuff". now it will be so totally comprehensible millions will get it. rollin eyes. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #256

You have the right to ask the question, but no right to expect an answer, however. Silent3 Apr 2014 #258

You need a 'rapist with a heart of gold story' before you think there is a rape culture... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #259

A lot of the rest of the world can't believe what they read on DU either. Silent3 Apr 2014 #262

That you do not like the terminology is not what I can't believe... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #265

There's a difference between "not accepting" something and vehemently arguing against it. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #270

I'd have a problem with someone calling a teapot a lampshade. Silent3 Apr 2014 #284

So if "rape culture" is as inaccurate as calling a teapot a lampshade, then what in your opinion nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #288

I don't know that there is a good blanket term Silent3 Apr 2014 #289

Maybe. I can't claim to have definitive solutions either, other than perhaps teaching people nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #290

We're a long way away from when a few AM radio stations were where most people... Silent3 Apr 2014 #285

The way you try to rationalize it away is sick... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #286

And now you're perfectly demonstrating just what I've said is the problem... Silent3 Apr 2014 #287

Nice try but you know it has nothing to do with 'framing' and everything to do with what you said Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #292

ah, if only i had the thread of all the rapist that were just "seducin'" in the movies. i do not seabeyond Apr 2014 #261

Like everyone else, I would describe them as a crime and a horror. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #244

My issue is that I am just hearing of this "rape culture" which seems to being applied to everyone. madinmaryland Mar 2014 #198

Very nicely stated. Orrex Mar 2014 #204

It is indeed a symptom of a greater problem, i.e. ingrained hatred of women. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #273

THIS "Rape culture is when we teach women how to not get raped, instead of teaching men not to rape" Hekate Mar 2014 #212

So we shouldnt teach people how to defend themselves? davidn3600 Apr 2014 #275

Where did the OP say lack of self defense classes would stop rape? Read the OP and argue with him... Hekate Apr 2014 #277

Who ever said such a thing? Do you really have that much trouble reading? Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #282

Rape culture is when... Zenlitened Apr 2014 #257

They can decline to use the term if they so choose. I don't think anyone would really have a problem nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #274

When one "declines to use the term," one is accused of enabling rape culture. Orrex Apr 2014 #291

Absolutely true. William769 Apr 2014 #266

Thanks, Ohio Joe. Jamastiene Apr 2014 #276

Thank you for this OP. chervilant Apr 2014 #279