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Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
139. And once again, with feeling: you are not the one that anyone is trying to convince with this....
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jan 2015

This rant against those unwilling to vaccinate their kids apparently hit some sort of button with you, because you're taking it as a personal attack, as if it was meant for you. And it's so not. You haven't boasted to anyone that their kid is vaccinated so why should you vaccinate yours, have you? You haven't said to anyone that you know more than doctors about vaccinations, have you? You haven't said that vaccinations cause autism and you know this is true because you read it on the internet/heard it from certain celebrities and anyone who says otherwise is part of a conspiracy by the drug companies...have you?

If not, then you and your boot can stand down. No one means for you to read this and take it personally. No one is going to send this to you in order to change your mind on any vaccine. If you really are, as you say, willing to listen to reasoned information, then I ask you to step back, cool down and do so now, with me. Because you seem to have ignored everything I said in order to repeat yourself.

This rant is for the asshole who is denying all reasoned arguments, and if not ranted at will lead idiots into stupidity because those idiots will mistake his assholeness as strength and rightness. In other words, this is an "Emperor has no clothes" situation. You, who can be told the Emperor has no clothes, and see it, don't need to be presented with this rant. But someone who is wondering if he *should* believe the Emperor has clothes because everyone is saying it, THAT person needs to hear someone say, loudly and unambiguously, "The Emperor has no clothes!" Otherwise, he will start having trouble seeing what's right in front of his eyes.

Am I making sense?

Lovely Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #1
really. way to win over the other side. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #2
It's really transparent Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #4
I don't think vaccines in general are ineffective. I just don't think this kind of attack is ND-Dem Jan 2015 #7
This is a way to turn people off, very rude and typical Tumbulu Jan 2015 #25
+1 lunasun Jan 2015 #130
Anti-vaxxers won't be swayed by anything Stargazer09 Jan 2015 #33
They won't be swayed by crap like this, that's for sure. I can only assume there's no desire ND-Dem Jan 2015 #46
If they ignore science, doctors, etc. Stargazer09 Jan 2015 #106
Idiocy rarely needs validation or solidification. Idiots are rarely swayed by science... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #158
I put anti-vaxxers on ignore. Buh bye MohRokTah Jan 2015 #8
Exactly. nt enlightenment Jan 2015 #9
"Health industrial complex"? NuclearDem Jan 2015 #12
Vaccinate your kids. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #20
It's not about winning the hearts and minds of the galactically stupid Major Nikon Jan 2015 #113
Exactly. Anti-vaxxers are fucking DANGEROUS morons. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #120
I don't think that kind of insulting presentation wins over anyone or inoculates anyone. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #126
It's not trying to win over anyone, it's just pointing out zappaman Jan 2015 #133
to me it points out how stupid & low-rent anti-anti-vaxxers are. ymmv. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #135
"Anti-anti-vaxxers"! zappaman Jan 2015 #136
It's the new term anti-vaxxers came up with Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #154
And by your own logic how stupid & low-rent anti-anti-anti-vaxxers are Major Nikon Jan 2015 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jan 2015 #15
That jumped out at me too. cwydro Jan 2015 #34
Well, if I had to pick who hated kids more, JoeyT Jan 2015 #36
Vile. Chemisse Jan 2015 #3
Anti-vaxxers cannot be reached. They are idiots. Codeine Jan 2015 #6
Ouch... bobclark86 Jan 2015 #114
Hear, hear. Iggo Jan 2015 #124
Maybe it will give someone on the fence, something to think about. progressoid Jan 2015 #10
I don't think I would ever listen to someone who called children "crotch fruit." Chemisse Jan 2015 #11
they only called the un-"vaxed" children "crotch fruit" or "rugrats" TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #18
But it isn't the children who made the decision. kcr Jan 2015 #85
Agree. nt cwydro Jan 2015 #92
so that would rule out everyone quoting the king james bible and "fruit of my loins"? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #93
Maybe it's just me, but the word crotch Chemisse Jan 2015 #94
Haha they are both just words Alittleliberal Jan 2015 #123
all words are just 'words' -- and people do get to 'arbitrarily' decide which words are acceptable ND-Dem Jan 2015 #125
Really? Chemisse Jan 2015 #140
No. It's describing exactly the same thing. alphafemale Jan 2015 #144
Use your imagination. Chemisse Jan 2015 #145
Oh I have used my imagination alphafemale Jan 2015 #146
same way "fuck" and "intercourse" refer the same thing. yet one is vulgar, the other clinical. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #159
When will this vile anti-Saxon prejudice EVER stop?? eridani Feb 2015 #167
"Why do you hate children" is not a particularly effective counter... NuclearDem Jan 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jan 2015 #17
Yes, it's vile. I thnk we can assume it's not intended to reach anyone, but to alienate them. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #22
yeah right zappaman Jan 2015 #29
Umm. I don't find the article neutrally written, nor the researcher particularly credible. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #47
That's not acually what the study shows. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #49
People who want to use proven scientific techniques tabasco Jan 2015 #88
I think you're wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #23
I understand what you are saying, but this kind of language tends to polarize. Chemisse Jan 2015 #31
agreed, really vile and counterproductive (nt) Tumbulu Jan 2015 #26
oh please zappaman Jan 2015 #28
The only issue I can compare it to in terms of willful ignorance is climate change Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #32
Interesting study. Chemisse Jan 2015 #35
excellent post, Chemisse KMOD Jan 2015 #39
Thanks. Chemisse Jan 2015 #84
Exactly. I wasn't going to get a flu shot because I knew I would probably recover ok if I got GoneFishin Jan 2015 #109
But you wouldn't be the person who irritated him into voicing things that way.... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #110
It may work with some people, and backfire with others. It would not work with me. GoneFishin Jan 2015 #116
And once again, with feeling: you are not the one that anyone is trying to convince with this.... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #139
I got the shot too. In fact I get it every year, yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #153
I agree. There's pardoy of the anti-vaxxer movement and then there's this. kcr Jan 2015 #86
Indeed. This is really similar to Chemisse Jan 2015 #87
Nothing else works either, though. alarimer Jan 2015 #108
The only thing that would work is CPS The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #163
This isn't to reach them, it is to shame and ridicule them. With good reason. morningfog Jan 2015 #142
Good post, sometimes facts need to be stated strongly for some to understand. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #14
Of course, if someone doesn't vaccinate their kids for every other malady under the sun, truedelphi Jan 2015 #16
ALL ANTI-VAXXERS MUST BE IGNORED EOM MohRokTah Jan 2015 #21
OMG I WAS VACCINATED AND HAVE MIGRAINES AND COLITIS GIVE ME $$$$$!!!11! REP Jan 2015 #115
Because some babies are too young to vaccinate. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #19
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service KMOD Jan 2015 #24
counterproductive and needlessly insulting Tumbulu Jan 2015 #27
Yes, because being sweet and polite when it comes to these idiots works soooo well. zappaman Jan 2015 #30
I know plenty of people who have changed their minds laundry_queen Jan 2015 #43
I kind of wonder whether things like Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #56
zappaman has already shown us the only study that matters. multiple times. it PROVES that ND-Dem Jan 2015 #61
Nah, they're just self entitled fucking morons... zappaman Jan 2015 #66
Do you consider them to be better or worse than gun owners? eom Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #80
If I remember right madville Jan 2015 #99
I'm pretty sure it's just a vocal minority. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #105
Beyond ignorant classykaren Jan 2015 #112
arglebargle ND-Dem Jan 2015 #127
Yes, Hannah...that describes an anti-vaxxers argument perfectly. zappaman Jan 2015 #134
Obvious, yes? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #141
What a concept! Chemisse Jan 2015 #95
posting that 'study' over and over isn't changing anyone's mind either. and it's ironic you'd claim ND-Dem Jan 2015 #48
I sencerely hope you didn't hurt anyones feelings! Jim Beard Jan 2015 #64
Please bluestateguy Jan 2015 #103
Voltaire and Twain were needlessly insulting to idiots both at home and abroad too. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #161
Anti-vaxxers are abusing their children, and other people's children too. DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #37
2 per thousand, per the CDC Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #40
This is over the top. I was ok until #3... mountain grammy Jan 2015 #38
Way too rude for my tastes Reter Jan 2015 #41
and it pretty much never changes someone's mind. nt laundry_queen Jan 2015 #44
I swear,...there are times.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #42
Bereaved mom of a week-old infant interviewed on CNN this past week. Whooping cough. Hekate Jan 2015 #45
Babies are born with their mom's immune systems KMOD Jan 2015 #50
Myth WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #53
Let me be more clear, KMOD Jan 2015 #54
Not really. Old graveyards are full of stone Angels drooping over little graves. Hekate Jan 2015 #75
I see that every day in old records.... Historic NY Jan 2015 #77
Our home got tagged for typhoid exposure in 1956, until we all tested clean. Tubercular kids... Hekate Jan 2015 #119
... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #51
Do you have children? KMOD Jan 2015 #52
what does your question have to do with my post? did you read it? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #55
Yes, I did. KMOD Jan 2015 #57
and understood the two points: 1) pertussis vaccine was changed about 2000; 2) new vaccine ND-Dem Jan 2015 #58
I have niece's and grand niece's and nephews that have KMOD Jan 2015 #59
so what? that doesn't mean the vaccine is 100% effective, and it doesn't mean that the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #60
Look, the standard and necessary vaccines are still KMOD Jan 2015 #62
yes, it's all about the immigrants... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #63
No it's not! KMOD Jan 2015 #65
did you read my post, or you just want to talk to yourself? In a study of over 6000 cases, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68
Look, I thought we were in a discussion about vaccination. KMOD Jan 2015 #69
And I'm saying that in that CDC study of 6000+ cases, half of those who got whooping cough ND-Dem Jan 2015 #71
This smiling North Korean agrees! zappaman Jan 2015 #67
wtf? you're disputing CDC data? Is it unscientific too? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #70
No Hannah, I'm saying anti-vaxxers are fucking morons. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #72
I hope I don't scare you, KMOD Jan 2015 #73
i see; you don't really care about the data. you just want to call names. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #74
Your data is disingenious KMOD Jan 2015 #76
It's not my data; it's from the Centers for Disease Control. I'd say it carries more authority than ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91
Oh god, is that really her again? That explains a lot. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #128
Indeed. zappaman Jan 2015 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author rsk Jan 2015 #121
Thanks for this informative post. rsk Jan 2015 #122
If your argument is made up of insults Hari Seldon Jan 2015 #78
I look at it as Satire. Jim Beard Jan 2015 #96
Disney measles HockeyMom Jan 2015 #79
It'd be nice if my doc brought that up Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #81
Thank you! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #155
I'd love to see someone post something similar to this, directed at gun owners. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #82
I agree. I am amazed to see bbgrunt Jan 2015 #117
Agree with the premise, disagree with the tone otis50 Jan 2015 #83
sometimes you need a 2x4 smacked alongside the head dembotoz Jan 2015 #89
Because anti-vaccination folks madville Jan 2015 #100
I have mixed feelings about this message. While I think not vaccinating kids is foolish; deafskeptic Jan 2015 #90
Appreciate the good information and your experience. I admire courage like yours a appalachiablue Jan 2015 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #98
Here is the thing bluestateguy Jan 2015 #101
Why are you so damned nasty with these vax posts? upaloopa Jan 2015 #102
Mirrors my own views perfectly. procon Jan 2015 #104
I'm not that old, but... Stargazer09 Jan 2015 #107
Some kids got it worse than others. Chemisse Jan 2015 #147
I do remember polio, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #151
Yes, this is made up of a lot of insults. But I think the point is being missed... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #111
Anti-vaxxers are to be shamed and shunned, they are immune to logic and facts. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #118
I remember a girlfriend of mine Stellar Jan 2015 #129
A less coarse version was posted on March 18, 2014 by Diana MacPherson on "Canadian Atheist" website proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #131
Why don't you define your terms? ANS: You cannot without insulting the bulk of the world's people. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #138
"CDC releases a statement on their web site confirming that the study parameters were changed GoneFishin Jan 2015 #143
Thanks. Here's a response to that statement and a 2004 letter written by Dr. Thompson. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #150
Is there a larger problem regarding autism, i.e. the link to sources of mercury? AntiFascist Jan 2015 #156
These aren't mutually exclusive considerations. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #157
My fear is that the wrong industry is getting the majority blame for skyrocketing rates of autism... AntiFascist Feb 2015 #164
Not when "thousands of parents" report the same sequence, as described by Mary Holland. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #165
More. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #166
Fuck tone. Iggo Jan 2015 #148
A Brief, Blanket Response From the Poster Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #149
I agree totally with the sentiment and the presented facts. drm604 Jan 2015 #152
K&R for using the term 'crotch-fruit'! Rex Jan 2015 #160
LOL madokie Jan 2015 #162
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