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In reply to the discussion: Yes, Virginia there ARE Two Sides to Vaccines [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)42. Sorry but your post if full of logical fallacies
I have degrees from MIT, that's how anti-science I am.
[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','Infindel B',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]You are also an anonymous poster on a message board. I could claim to be the pope, that does not make it so.
Regardless, this is an argument from authority fallacy. Just because you have degrees from MIT does not mean they are biology degrees or more specifically degrees in immunology. It does not mean that when it comes to this one area that you are as much an ignorant layman as the average person off the street.
One can be a genius in their field and an idiot everywhere else. Dunning-Kruger effect applies to everyone working outside their field.[/font]
I also have lasting damage from Guillaine-Barre from a flu vaccination.
[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','Infindel B',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]This is a Nirvana/Perfect Solution fallacy combined with anecdotal evidence.
Vaccines sometimes have side-effects. No solution is perfect. However, vaccine risks are so minuscule that the protections and benefits they provide to the vast majority of people far exceed the risks.
Just because you experienced one rare isolated event does not mean vaccines are bad. Your situation is an outlier.
Seat-belts increase one's chances of surviving a wreck about 99.9% of the time. But in very very rare situations seat-belts decrease one's chance of survival. Do you think that extremely rare situation mean that wearing a seat-belt is a bad idea?
I don't think they teach that type of tortured logic at MIT...
On very rare occasions vaccines have bad side-effects. But these cases are so rare that it makes it moronic to argue against vaccines because someone might hit the bad luck lottery.
Further, Most people don't have GuillainBarré syndrome (2 out of 100,000 people), and no one is advocating that people who can't take vaccines for legitimate medical reasons are anti-vaxxers.
The people advocating against vaccines in general or who are refusing to vaccinate themselves or their children when they do not know if they have these conditions (or they when know they don't have such conditions) are the ones that are being argued against here.
They are putting their children and everyone who, for medical reasons such as yours, can't get vaccinated at risk. They deserve to be mocked and ridiculed.
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I don't really want our top research scientists taking time out of developing cures to debate
stevenleser
Jan 2015
#25
Agreed, it is best if scientists continue their research than spending all of
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#36
What do we do, though, with those who refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children? . . .
Journeyman
Jan 2015
#12
So you propose that the unvaccinated must be kept under house arrest at all times? . . .
Journeyman
Jan 2015
#22
But again, what do we do when those children go to the park, or share a communal swimming pool? . . .
Journeyman
Jan 2015
#27
Which defective vaccines have killed children and this was ignored? Name them.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#14
SEE ALSO: The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis
Demeter
Jan 2015
#31
Without the federal fund and immunity we would have NO vaccines in the US.
McCamy Taylor
Jan 2015
#15
Ironic that people don't have as large families any more due to conquering childhood diseases,
Thor_MN
Jan 2015
#43
Elimination of preventable childhood diseases does, in many cases, have an effect on how many
uppityperson
Jan 2015
#53
I hadn't heard of this. Thanks for the info - I need to check to see if I need a booster too.
myrna minx
Feb 2015
#74
With ALL the due respect awarded medical professionals, may I recommend this to be read in full?
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2015
#34
Autism has been proven in multiple studies to have absolutely no correlation with vaccines.
Thor_MN
Jan 2015
#50
Flawed sources. How many were authored by a fugitive? ANS. 21, according to Congressional testimony.
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#54
Again, selectively ignoring inconvenient science is an unsustainable approach.
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#57
That's the official story/FULL STOP. Change subject or tempt me to 'post the same links over & over'
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#60
I have no illusion that purveyors of woo can be convinced that their faith based misinformation
Thor_MN
Feb 2015
#63
Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, in 2008:
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#65
Wrong, unfortunately. Hey, let's make all the relevant CDC raw data OPEN SOURCE. (nt)
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#69
That's the official story; too bad it ignores all nuance. Read Dr.Poling's Op-Ed from 2008.
proverbialwisdom
Feb 2015
#78
The fact that some people are allergic to penicillin doesn't mean it isn't a lifesaver.
Liberal Veteran
Jan 2015
#37
You know the actual flu causes GBS at a greater rate than the vaccine, right?
Recursion
Feb 2015
#56
Your comment doesn't ring true for someone with a science or technical education background.
Maedhros
Feb 2015
#77
A lot of people did resist the smallpox vaccination, and for a very long time.
MineralMan
Feb 2015
#61
On the bright side, if you get tetanus, you'll die with a smile on your face. n/t
backscatter712
Feb 2015
#70