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former9thward

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62. Have you heard of Current Veterinary Therapy by Kirk?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jan 2015

It states "The practice of annual vaccinations lacks scientific validity or verification. There is no immunological requirement for annual vaccinations. The practice of annual vaccinations should be considered of questionable efficacy unless it is used as a mechanism to provide an annual physical examination or is required by law."

Let's hear from a vet, Dr. John Fudens, D.V.M.:

Let me give you an example of Pinellas County, FL where my Affinity Clinic is located. I secured information from Pinellas Animal Control through the Freedom of Information Act. The record of animal control starts in 1964. From 1964 to 1978 there were zero cases of dog rabies in the county. Magically in 1978 rabies vaccine was mandated to be given every year and all dogs tagged and licensed. WHY? Well it seems four veterinarians, with animal control bureaucrats, pushed the county board of supervisors to pass a law mandating rabies vaccination every year. There were three local vets and one professor from the State Veterinary College who were behind this. It was interesting reading their letters pushing this law and the minutes of the county meeting. There was talk of dogs biting people (no actual figures given), dogs running loose, animal overpopulation, rabies on the increase in the U.S. (the increase was in wildlife, not dogs), etc.,etc. Not once was the issue discussed that there was no rabies in the county in dogs. To this date there still has not been one case of dog rabies, including the population of dogs whose owners, GOD BLESS THEM, do not vaccinate for rabies. Let's go further.

From 1964 to 1989 there were no cases of rabies in cats in Pinellas County. Magically in 1989 a law was passed mandating rabies vaccination, tags and licenses for all cats. Same tired worn out excuses were used. Since the 1989 law there was one cat with rabies contracted from the bite of a bat. DO YOU READERS REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE JUST STATED? This is standard throughout the Country. No allowance is made for dogs/cats who never leave the house or yard, could never be exposed to rabies under any circumstances, or who are so ill, old or at the end of their life cycle that the rabies vaccine would throw them over the edge. No, all dogs and cats are treated the same because we have the bogeyman, rabies, stalking the streets waiting to strike unprotected dogs and cats.


http://www.whale.to/vaccines/fudens.html

Who is the fool now? I don't care what you charge for your services. You won't be getting my money.

Why do I need to vaccinate my puppy? [View all] uppityperson Jan 2015 OP
K&R eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #1
I like puppies shenmue Jan 2015 #2
Oh snap! HappyMe Jan 2015 #3
Vaccines don’t feel right for me and my family. uppityperson Jan 2015 #4
But subjecting others to HappyMe Jan 2015 #5
I saw that. Brigid Jan 2015 #9
I know you came to this decision after a lot of meditation REP Jan 2015 #6
Parvo virus is a miserable way to die& breaks human hearts too irisblue Jan 2015 #7
I agree. So is measles for kids like Roald Dahl's daughter did. uppityperson Jan 2015 #8
worse, you can't get rid of it in the environment TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #10
So right! Thank god my puppy was vaccinated for Parvo. broiles Feb 2015 #104
There actually are real, science based concerns Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #11
Thank you, Ms. Toad. I've read about these changes in pet vaccine schedules pnwmom Feb 2015 #100
"I don't know of any dog who has had rabies" Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #12
that picture looks like it was taken in a bookstore (several of the same titles next to the dog). ND-Dem Jan 2015 #16
I was thinking "thrift store" with that old chair. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #19
maybe. but i've seen bookstores with the same ambiance, old chairs where you could sit down ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20
If you really do value your puppy you will not vaccinate former9thward Jan 2015 #13
Ugh. Well, that didn't take long. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #14
And your dog is a reason I couldn't take mine to dog parks until he was fully vx'd uppityperson Jan 2015 #35
My dog is always the oldest at the dog parks. former9thward Jan 2015 #47
Instead of vaccinating yours, you risk the life of mine. How telling. uppityperson Jan 2015 #49
I said in my post I had the standard shots when she former9thward Jan 2015 #54
And George Burns lived to 100 despite heavy drinking and smoking LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #63
Not putting any dog at risk. former9thward Jan 2015 #65
I have Aced a college course in immunology. Have you? LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #67
Which has about zero to do with this discussion. former9thward Jan 2015 #75
Then don't derail things by saying things like "I bet you don't even know..." (nt) LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #90
Please link to where I said former9thward Feb 2015 #94
Here LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #95
And a college course in immunology tells you how former9thward Feb 2015 #96
It teaches you immunology LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #98
here.. 840high Jan 2015 #85
you have to pay for blood work titres....not cheap irisblue Feb 2015 #93
around here the recommendation has changed to every 3 years laundry_queen Jan 2015 #56
That's same as my Vet does. 840high Jan 2015 #86
My vet also. Every 3 years. uppityperson Jan 2015 #88
So no rabies tag or license either in those 17 ish years. MerryBlooms Jan 2015 #58
One rabies tag. former9thward Jan 2015 #59
You are fine with risking your pet's health and well being, which is disgustsing, but MerryBlooms Jan 2015 #61
I am not a risk of any of those things. former9thward Jan 2015 #64
Our mini long-hair doxy passed 2 years ago at the age of 19+ years MerryBlooms Jan 2015 #69
The dog parks I go to don't have former9thward Jan 2015 #73
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #72
find out what the law is about rabies in your state blackcrow Jan 2015 #15
My county requires annual rabies. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #18
I picked up our second puppy over 4 years ago at the rescue org. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #17
Awww! Cute little babies! smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #48
Beautiful, beautiful dogs!!!!!! etherealtruth Jan 2015 #78
People sterilize Kongs??? ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #21
Responsible Kong owners Lefta Dissenter Jan 2015 #60
They get underfoot in the dark of night and lead to accidental falls. uppityperson Jan 2015 #79
the truth or as best I can tell crayn Jan 2015 #22
Welcome to DU. You might want to fix your second sentence... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #23
Oops crayn Jan 2015 #27
Thanks! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #30
Welcome to DU and uppityperson Jan 2015 #24
I don't think this is in response to your OP, uppity. See post #13. smokey nj Jan 2015 #26
Oops again crayn Jan 2015 #38
No worries, it gets confusing here sometimes and I agree with what you write. uppityperson Jan 2015 #40
Thanks crayn Jan 2015 #55
Welcome to DU! smokey nj Jan 2015 #25
Conversely, pay attention to the sarcasm tag. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #28
Read the thread, specifically post #13. That's the post to which I was referring. smokey nj Jan 2015 #31
That is not the post the person was referring to. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #34
Why the fuck are you attacking me? I merely welcomed a new member. smokey nj Jan 2015 #37
Why the "fuck" I'm "discussing" and not "attacking" you... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #39
You are attacking me and I don't appreciate it. I hardly ever respond to threads because of nasty smokey nj Jan 2015 #43
One person's "attack" is another's "discussion." I'll continue to call out the dredger uppers. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #45
And I'll keep calling out nasty people. smokey nj Jan 2015 #46
Best of luck! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #50
I remember the most egregious posts, and those about hurting beings. uppityperson Jan 2015 #51
I don't have either. The Sarah Palin thing happened within the last few weeks and I remembered an smokey nj Jan 2015 #52
Yes, it was. They clarified here. uppityperson Jan 2015 #41
Thanks uppity! :) My other comments stand. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jan 2015 #29
I didn't mean you I meant post #13. smokey nj Jan 2015 #32
Got it, self deleted. No worries. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #33
Why do I vaccinate my darling puppy, because I want her to be with me as long as possible. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #36
There are plenty of vets that disagree with you. former9thward Jan 2015 #53
I don't think the law is what you think it is. crayn Jan 2015 #57
Have you heard of Current Veterinary Therapy by Kirk? former9thward Jan 2015 #62
one reference? crayn Jan 2015 #66
U of Illinois, 1990., M.S. former9thward Jan 2015 #70
You're welcome crayn Jan 2015 #74
You must be real fun at a party. former9thward Jan 2015 #77
If you ever saw a puppy dying of distempter or parvovirus, you would not ask that... hlthe2b Jan 2015 #83
Did you miss the sarcasm in my OP? uppityperson Jan 2015 #84
Yes, I surely did... good to know. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #89
"Who is the fool now?" zappaman Jan 2015 #68
Ahhh, I'm so hurt... former9thward Jan 2015 #71
Did you ever stop to think, that maybe... Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #80
Because rabies vxs are preventing pets from getting rabies, they are vaccinating needlessly? WTF? uppityperson Jan 2015 #82
+1 pinto Jan 2015 #76
many times I've told my saintly vet that I'd far rather have him as my own doctor TorchTheWitch Feb 2015 #97
crayn blackcrow Feb 2015 #102
Rabies vaccination crayn Feb 2015 #103
I am in Georgia and no vet has ever insisted on the rabies shot after my dog had a reaction... Phentex Feb 2015 #105
Big pharma!!! zappaman Jan 2015 #42
I have a personal story that I am going through right now that is very relevant to this thread Godhumor Jan 2015 #81
Of course shots are important but 840high Jan 2015 #87
I'm a big believer of The rabies vaccine. Redford Jan 2015 #91
We have lots of raccoons around here and they can pass it on to their babies who show no signs uppityperson Jan 2015 #92
Wow, that is a hell of a story. Glad the horses (and you) came through OK. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #99
My head almost exploded. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #101
Right on! Puppies are people too! yellowcanine Feb 2015 #106
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