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BrotherIvan

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Sat May 30, 2015, 01:26 AM

May 2015

I would like to hear some substantive arguments from people. So far, it's the same tactic over and over.

And BTW, the only reason why everyone gets to parse Sanders' announcement speech is because he actually gave one. So far, from HRC, we have a video with attractive black, brown and LGBT people so we're supposed to assume that that means she's all about social justice. I would say you can't make this shit up, but I guess you can.

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This is What I Believe. [View all] sheshe2 May 2015 OP

I'm sorry. Is there someone running who is not going to support racial justice HERVEPA May 2015 #1

I must have missed it too. beam me up scottie May 2015 #2

You missed this? sheshe2 May 2015 #87

It's an op ed piece, not the GOTCHA quote you're desperately pretending it is. beam me up scottie May 2015 #89

Well a Bernie supporter thought it was great! sheshe2 May 2015 #90

Ikr? Who cares about the truth as long as you can score points? beam me up scottie May 2015 #92

You don't! sheshe2 May 2015 #98

More smilie faces to add to your collection of pictures. beam me up scottie May 2015 #100

So is your response~ sheshe2 May 2015 #102

Your disgusting attempt to use women and lgbt people to smear an honest man failed. beam me up scottie May 2015 #110

I did not find Sanders' public letter of Jan. 5 to USTR Froman to be honest. ucrdem May 2015 #125

Now you're using the TPP to smear Sanders? beam me up scottie May 2015 #126

I'm using his false claims about it to suggest that he is not without flaws in the honesty dept. nt ucrdem May 2015 #127

Hillary just called. beam me up scottie May 2015 #128

I find that this post like all your other posts on the tpp cali May 2015 #131

That honest man is not more important than the people he represents BainsBane May 2015 #135

Stop telling me what I think, you know NOTHING about me. beam me up scottie May 2015 #140

The bottom line is that this whole argument does not make any logical sense. Zorra May 2015 #78

Lol~Edit myself... sheshe2 May 2015 #86

"Here is an actual quote from Bernie Sanders Zorra May 2015 #93

I think our candidates can and MUST do both and do them well. NYC_SKP May 2015 #3

Yet this was posted, SKP. sheshe2 May 2015 #5

thank you for pointing me to this OP. that was VERY disappointing. but clear. really seabeyond May 2015 #13

Ya, it was, sea. sheshe2 May 2015 #20

very disappointing. i cannot believe that this is his stand. i cant do that. seabeyond May 2015 #21

I know sea. nt sheshe2 May 2015 #43

Did you guys rehearse this routine? cui bono May 2015 #145

...In response to your weird, wild, and wacky OP, sheshe2 Scootaloo May 2015 #57

Anyone telling you to choose between the two is a fucking con artist. Marr May 2015 #4

Exactly right. n/t mattclearing May 2015 #96

K&R (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #6

I hear what you're saying sheshe2, but how about policies that promote both? PatrickforO May 2015 #7

Patrick that is what I am saying. sheshe2 May 2015 #8

Both need to go hand in hand. TDale313 May 2015 #9

he believes it will only come as the result of economic equality. seabeyond May 2015 #15

He never said that, people should quit making shit up. beam me up scottie May 2015 #59

it does not seem he is talking about it. where would you like me to get the info? is this NOT a seabeyond May 2015 #64

That was my point, it's someone's opinion, NOT Bernie's. beam me up scottie May 2015 #65

He has a long, long record on civil rights AgingAmerican May 2015 #66

He does talk about it. Here's the link. AGAIN.... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #67

Thanks Violet! beam me up scottie May 2015 #68

No worries, scottie. I'd already posted that link in another thread where they were saying the same. Violet_Crumble May 2015 #80

It's a disgusting smear campaign, taken right out of the right wing playbook. beam me up scottie May 2015 #81

Hillary has the Clinton economy to point to and there goes the economic argument. nt ucrdem May 2015 #97

I really don't give a shit. beam me up scottie May 2015 #99

Okay but it isn't just a DU issue. It's getting some ink in the press: ucrdem May 2015 #101

Oh ffs, please stop referring to that idiotic op-ed/blog post as if it's a factual article. beam me up scottie May 2015 #103

Has anyone denied the facts it presents? ucrdem May 2015 #109

Were facts actually presented? beam me up scottie May 2015 #112

Yes. I recommend reading it. nt ucrdem May 2015 #114

I did. Twice. beam me up scottie May 2015 #116

Here are 3 facts it presents, each with links in the original: ucrdem May 2015 #117

That's an assumption, not a fact and this isn't a disagreement. beam me up scottie May 2015 #120

Okay they're true. That makes them facts. Thanks. nt ucrdem May 2015 #121

He didn't mention women either, that means it's true he's a misogynist. beam me up scottie May 2015 #124

You would have to agree, though, that we really can't GET social justice Ken Burch May 2015 #147

NO ONE has said there is a division EXCEPT on DU BrotherIvan May 2015 #10

Check link: yallerdawg May 2015 #11

Yup, I posted that to SKP as well. sheshe2 May 2015 #12

BrotherIvan and I respectfuly disagree on other things. yallerdawg May 2015 #16

Not surprising that other thread is not going anywhere. sheshe2 May 2015 #22

Yes BrotherIvan May 2015 #35

Standing up for Social Justice is taking a whack at your candidate???? sheshe2 May 2015 #45

Ah yes, here it is BrotherIvan May 2015 #47

You tried to insinuate Sanders was connected to the chicago PD's "hunting" picture and slavery Scootaloo May 2015 #63

The article is opinion not backed up by fact BrotherIvan May 2015 #24

Exactly. beam me up scottie May 2015 #36

A Bernie supporter posted that. sheshe2 May 2015 #50

I'm interested in his words, not your assumptions. beam me up scottie May 2015 #52

Contrary to your belief, I am not arguing this point because I support Sanders BrotherIvan May 2015 #62

This needs to be an OP. Really and truly please BrotherIvan. Luminous Animal May 2015 #37

Thanks BrotherIvan May 2015 #46

Manufactured outrage AgingAmerican May 2015 #14

our issues being literally dismissed is manufactured outrage to you.... seabeyond May 2015 #17

The whole 'social justice vs economic justice' meme AgingAmerican May 2015 #19

Yup BrotherIvan May 2015 #25

Who are you calling a.... sheshe2 May 2015 #28

The Third Way® and their defenders AgingAmerican May 2015 #34

Or who don't give a crap about poor, disenfranchised people of color, women, or LGBT BrotherIvan May 2015 #39

he believes it will only come as the result of economic equality. seabeyond May 2015 #40

They are not mutually exclusive AgingAmerican May 2015 #44

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #51

Name one country on earth AgingAmerican May 2015 #60

That is an OPINION not actual fact BrotherIvan May 2015 #49

Did he actually say that? beam me up scottie May 2015 #58

Wrong, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, but... JaneyVee May 2015 #42

You cannot have economic justice without social justice AgingAmerican May 2015 #55

+1 deutsey May 2015 #136

+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #56

The claim you make is completely unsupported by evidence Scootaloo May 2015 #73

Whose issues are being dismissed? How? NaturalHigh May 2015 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2015 #18

Yup. Money is power in our world. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #132

In the broad view ... nikto May 2015 #23

+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #29

+ all. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #133

Absolutely, what you said nikto May 2015 #144

Well, I never said that did I. sheshe2 May 2015 #30

And vice-versa. JaneyVee May 2015 #33

+2 beam me up scottie May 2015 #38

I don't think these divisions need to exist. But +1 for the Bill Moyers. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #26

Spot on Sheshe. William769 May 2015 #27

My emphasis many times are on women, sheshe2 May 2015 #41

What was MLK Jr.'s Poor People's Campaign? G_j May 2015 #31

How easily some forget that they have always been linked BrotherIvan May 2015 #53

nice photos! G_j May 2015 #70

Dr. King knew that there is no division BrotherIvan May 2015 #72

I was always under the impression G_j May 2015 #76

I don't know that it was necessarily an evolution BrotherIvan May 2015 #79

Great post. JaneyVee May 2015 #32

I look forward to a world in which we are all equally free Maedhros May 2015 #48

There is no "versus." The two are not in competition Scootaloo May 2015 #54

"If we focus on the first, then we will get the second".. uh No. President Obama knows this and Cha May 2015 #61

Amazing read wasn't it, Cha. sheshe2 May 2015 #69

Yes, it is amazing.. in that it highlights exactly what a few of our DU AA posters brought up about Cha May 2015 #75

I will post it to them.... sheshe2 May 2015 #77

Yeah, sometimes all it needs is Cha May 2015 #83

You're quoting another BOGer and acting like it's a quote from your opposition. Marr May 2015 #137

Both are important and I fully support both davidpdx May 2015 #71

No other candidate in this race has been as strong of an advocate for racial justice as Bernie has beam me up scottie May 2015 #74

In case no one knows, the woman on the left of Rep. Lewis is Jane Sanders, Bernie's wife BrotherIvan May 2015 #82

Thanks! beam me up scottie May 2015 #84

I don't care about honest criticism BrotherIvan May 2015 #85

Have you seen this?: beam me up scottie May 2015 #88

Prism's posts were awesome in that thread... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #113

They deserve their own op. beam me up scottie May 2015 #115

I agree on that.... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #119

Yeah, it takes a lot to move me these days but that did the trick. beam me up scottie May 2015 #123

My god, they were epic. nt Bonobo May 2015 #151

"Will you fear less when your child leaves the house in the morning? " Bonobo May 2015 #91

Did any of you Sanders supporters comment on the OP? sheshe2 May 2015 #94

Well, I'm not a Sanders supporter, but I saw plenty of people comment on the OP... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #118

Thank you so much, Violet. Eloquent as always. Ken Burch May 2015 #148

Thanks, Ken. PM away... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #149

Just sent one. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #150

k! n! r! ucrdem May 2015 #95

Thanks~ sheshe2 May 2015 #106

Awesome post. ucrdem May 2015 #107

Another wonderful and thought-provoking post, sheshe2! calimary May 2015 #104

Hey you. sheshe2 May 2015 #111

((((<3)))) calimary May 2015 #138

"What will your economic justice buy you?" NaturalHigh May 2015 #108

Political power. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #134

K&R And you get an extra rec for taking all of this shit for your posts and STILL POSTING THEM. Number23 May 2015 #122

I thank you Number23. sheshe2 May 2015 #141

See post #55 Katashi_itto May 2015 #129

long,empty op that sets up one false construct after another cali May 2015 #130

I hear what you are saying. I for one think that we need both. My family live on an Indian jwirr May 2015 #139

Then why the Nixonian dog whistle *tactic* with your previous post? myrna minx May 2015 #142

the other controversial article you posted was off-base, inaccurate, poorly stated, & mostly unfair bigtree May 2015 #143

No candidate is calling for "Economic Justice without Social Justice". Ken Burch May 2015 #146

101%! a candidate who advocates that secular regimes be overthrown by ultra-misogynistic and MisterP Jul 2015 #152