What hatred? (Reply #205) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: If Jenner can be a woman while still sporting a penis, why can't Rachel Dolezal be African American? [View all]

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Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:03 PM

Chemisse (28,662 posts)

205. What hatred?

These are questions many of us have about changing identities and what it all means.

The more we can talk about these ideas and wrestle towards understanding, the better off we all will be going forward.

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459 replies	Author	Time	Post
If Jenner can be a woman while still sporting a penis, why can't Rachel Dolezal be African American? [View all]	uhnope	Jun 2015	OP
Race is a physical characteristic	brooklynite	Jun 2015	#1
Just wait a while	MosheFeingold	Jun 2015	#9
Not really....	Adrahil	Jun 2015	#19
This. Yes. n/t	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#200
That is absolutely not true	Drahthaardogs	Jun 2015	#234
Not race, no. Region, possibly.	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#237
Which, by human definition (cause race or breeds are a made up term) is essentially race	Drahthaardogs	Jun 2015	#244
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#249
You might disagree, but the facts are the facts	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#276
Yup. Totally.	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#283
Bill Nye? You break out an engineer to argue genetics and anthropology?	Drahthaardogs	Jun 2015	#435
The choice in characteristics is both a matter of culture and...	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#452
So is a kid with a white parent and black parent black or white?	Adrahil	Jun 2015	#288
"We're all a collection of alleles"	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#354
With all due respect	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2015	#358
Oh, I agree...	Adrahil	Jun 2015	#362
Thanks - I figured you would	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2015	#364
and gender is not?	whathehell	Jun 2015	#32
No, it's not. You're thinking of sex.	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#78
No, I'm thinking of body parts -- biology. n/t	whathehell	Jun 2015	#87
...which is what sex is.	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#91
See post #106. n/t	whathehell	Jun 2015	#111
Often we are on the same side of the fence, but not this time	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#355
Gender identity is not dependent on body parts. Women who have no uterus or ovaries are still women	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#95
Sex and gender have been used interchangeably	whathehell	Jun 2015	#106
I had a hysterectomy, am postmenopausal. I consider myself female, a woman. You deny me that?	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#117
Yeah, me too	whathehell	Jun 2015	#133
Postmenopausal means none of those female hormones, which makes women's features coarsen, facial	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#157
None of those facial changes has happened to me, and I've been post-menapausal for awhile	whathehell	Jun 2015	#224
Oh For Heaven's Sake	RobinA	Jun 2015	#397
No kidding..	whathehell	Jun 2015	#399
Is your point gender identity is dependent upon your chromosomes?	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#416
Uhm, yeah you do still have the female body parts that make you a woman.	Snobblevitch	Jun 2015	#210
Thank you. n/t	whathehell	Jun 2015	#247
What body parts "makes you a woman"? You seem to also say being a woman is dependent on	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#252
I was just posting biological facts.	Snobblevitch	Jun 2015	#255
Unless a person fully transitions physically, they are still he/she as they were born?	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#259
Is the person in this reply a real man? He no longer has those biological physical	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#261
The only point I wished to make is that a woman	Snobblevitch	Jun 2015	#269
No, you are posting your point of view, and are making absolute statements based on minimal	Zorra	Jun 2015	#311
So you bieve that a woman who has a	Snobblevitch	Jun 2015	#322
It depends. For someone transitioning to their perceived gender identity of male, no. For those	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#417
None of my posts on this thread are about transgender people.	Snobblevitch	Jun 2015	#419
Yes, you have. The Op is about that, and yes, you have posted that.	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#420
That was my way of explaining	Snobblevitch	Jun 2015	#425
ok, thanks for clarifying. eom	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#426
Until about 300BC most of humanity thought the earth was flat	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#161
Um, I wouldn't call that the best analogy..	whathehell	Jun 2015	#245
And even then	Aerows	Jun 2015	#301
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2015	#104
Lame.	whathehell	Jun 2015	#108
Jury Results and the Administrator's Terms of Service	countryjake	Jun 2015	#265
Thank you, countryjake.	whathehell	Jun 2015	#382
Your sarcasm is noted.	countryjake	Jun 2015	#415
According to Wikipedia, race is a social concept	Matariki	Jun 2015	#63
So is gender, at least as much as race.	pnwmom	Jun 2015	#340
Wow. Dumbest post ever. Read a bit about transgender then try again.	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#2
"	H2O Man	Jun 2015	#30
Nailedf it. This thread is an uhnope.	pinboy3niner	Jun 2015	#35
^^This^^ Yep. nt	Zorra	Jun 2015	#302
Dunno. This one gives it a run for its money.	gollygee	Jun 2015	#389
That's just ugly.	MineralMan	Jun 2015	#3
What an ugly post. Shame on you.	myrna minx	Jun 2015	#4
That's fucked up	ismnotwasm	Jun 2015	#5
Why?..Why is it all so negative?..I think unhope is just asking an honest question	whathehell	Jun 2015	#84
If it was a 7 to 0 fail	Aerows	Jun 2015	#93
My bad. It was a 5-2 and that is still a large fail.	whathehell	Jun 2015	#126
On this discussion board	forthemiddle	Jun 2015	#165
You mean like is Obama Kenyan?	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#172
No, it was 2-5 leave, not 0-7.	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#98
That's bad enough :(. n/t	Aerows	Jun 2015	#113
Juror # 7 illustrates the iqnorance quite clearly	Skittles	Jun 2015	#216
It's the whole	Aerows	Jun 2015	#221
of course it is, but juries are a crapshoot	Skittles	Jun 2015	#222
I should have written a better alert message	jberryhill	Jun 2015	#226
Any rational person	Aerows	Jun 2015	#228
Still a pretty big fail.	whathehell	Jun 2015	#116
Honest question my ass	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#151
Thank you for sharing.	whathehell	Jun 2015	#243
Do you have the slightest clue how stupid your wavey thiong is in these situations	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#251
It was late. That being said, the opinions of those who can't spell a word like "thing"	whathehell	Jun 2015	#370
For your knowledge, there is a difference between "can't spell" and a typing mistake	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#371
For yours, we have something called "spellcheck"	whathehell	Jun 2015	#376
You might want to ......	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#383
You might want to....	whathehell	Jun 2015	#393
Wow. Such originality. (are they your false teeth)?	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#395
Yes, you too!	whathehell	Jun 2015	#398
So glad you're no longer in Philadelphia	HERVEPA	Jun 2015	#404
Me too	whathehell	Jun 2015	#422
It's TERF-like and I dislike TERF additudes	ismnotwasm	Jun 2015	#159
What is "TERF-like"?	whathehell	Jun 2015	#239
Ew.	ismnotwasm	Jun 2015	#291
"EW"?	whathehell	Jun 2015	#380
I don't think the transphobic nature of the DU jury pool	Codeine	Jun 2015	#168
I don't think it's fair or accurate to automatically categorize the DU Jury pool as "transphobic".	whathehell	Jun 2015	#231
the question is being asked by transphobes / bigots	Skittles	Jun 2015	#227
That is a matter of opinion	whathehell	Jun 2015	#233
NO IT ISN'T	Skittles	Jun 2015	#262
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE - Explanation: Calling it what it is ...is not hide worthy.	L0oniX	Jun 2015	#372
the jury gets it right	Skittles	Jun 2015	#405
alert results	irisblue	Jun 2015	#377
YES IT IS	whathehell	Jun 2015	#402
"open inquiry"	Skittles	Jun 2015	#406
because the question has been indisputably settled	whathehell	Jun 2015	#421
it IS settled	Skittles	Jun 2015	#450
Here's Fascism for you...	countryjake	Jun 2015	#418
No idea what that is..	whathehell	Jun 2015	#423
Come on ....... it's a concentration camp prisoner's outfit and number. nt.	polly7	Jun 2015	#429
"Come on"?	whathehell	Jun 2015	#448
The Administrator's Terms of Service...	countryjake	Jun 2015	#268
Excuse me!?	Aerows	Jun 2015	#300
Before being excused, you have to actually read my post	whathehell	Jun 2015	#375
No, it's not a 'matter of opinion.'	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#313
I'm afraid it is, and if you had "listened and learned" from a larger pool of people,	whathehell	Jun 2015	#367
No one from that larger pool is successfully pushing 'trans-racial' as legitimate theory.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#384
Not in the extremely short time that the Dolezar case has been in the news, maybe	whathehell	Jun 2015	#392
Fair enough. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#396
Thank you..	whathehell	Jun 2015	#400
If so, then a satisfactory answer should be easy to provide	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#356
I find it very disturbing it has to be "explained" here	Skittles	Jun 2015	#407
I find it unsettling that angry people cannot provide an explanation	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#412
HERE	Skittles	Jun 2015	#413
+1. It is something that can be compared and contrasted	treestar	Jun 2015	#363
Thank you...It is being discussed all across the media, social and otherwise	whathehell	Jun 2015	#368
I am not AFRAID	Skittles	Jun 2015	#408
I wonder if Jenner has ever been	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#6
yes being a former white man who is still rich and famous with a PR agency	uhnope	Jun 2015	#12
Why do you put identifies in quotes? That is nasty towards trans gendered people, implying that they	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#17
okay. I'll remove them if it makes you happy.	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#25
Also, she is a she, not a he. Her lifetime, not his. Thank you.	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#33
I'm sorry about the pronouns. I've of thought of	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#64
Thank you.	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#71
I have a feeling she probably never felt all that privileged 'being a white man'.	polly7	Jun 2015	#83
Just because she may not have felt the privilege	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#99
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2015	#39
I just can't see anyone making such a radical change	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#67
People do all sorts of crazy crap for money and fame.	MosheFeingold	Jun 2015	#81
Oh yeah? So, what would your price be?	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#342
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service	Algernon Moncrieff	Jun 2015	#22
I can't believe that ball of hatred	Aerows	Jun 2015	#26
There is no hatred towards her or anyone transgendered.	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#52
The difference between being forced to live a lie and choosing to do so is huge	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#65
That was not directed at you.	Aerows	Jun 2015	#68
Thanks. I think thrashing it out clarifies	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#72
It's disgusting that it gets to stand. Where the hell are we?	Action_Patrol	Jun 2015	#286
Not the DU I am	Aerows	Jun 2015	#294
The board makes a lot of the right noises about trans issues,	Codeine	Jun 2015	#170
Well	Aerows	Jun 2015	#182
It's not so quiet the last year or so.	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#344
What hatred?	Chemisse	Jun 2015	#205
The OP used to mean Original Post, as in initial post	Aerows	Jun 2015	#212
Good God, why the hell was this WBW nonsense allowed to stand?	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#42
Why in the hell	Aerows	Jun 2015	#75
I would have voted to hide.	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#47
+1	gollygee	Jun 2015	#51
It's a right wing meme all over the wingnut blogs and forums.	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#55
Also revealing	gollygee	Jun 2015	#60
juror #1, oy nt	geek tragedy	Jun 2015	#54
Juror one is a fucking transphobe. This board is crawling with them. N/t	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#189
It floors me when they say shit like that.	Codeine	Jun 2015	#199
What fucking drives me up the wall is they are tolerated here. This is not a safe place...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#201
but do not go anywhere	Skittles	Jun 2015	#272
Yes. The LGBT community on DU has been getting victimized repeatedly	Zorra	Jun 2015	#320
OMG	Skittles	Jun 2015	#271
Juror #1 just added to the transphobia.	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#343
Thank you. Your make very good points. n/t	whathehell	Jun 2015	#34
please see my comment to aerow below. nt	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#56
I saw it and I agree with you.	whathehell	Jun 2015	#118
And Jenner is the only trans woman ever since the history of mankind...	joeybee12	Jun 2015	#135
I think about them a lot, actually.	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#140
So you think feminine men have never been raped?	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#146
+100,000,000	ismnotwasm	Jun 2015	#196
I'm not the one making claims of identifying with a	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#225
Alert away	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#248
These statistics are pretty heartbreaking. :( nt.	polly7	Jun 2015	#266
I know	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#273
THANK YOU. OUTSTANDING POST.	misterhighwasted	Jun 2015	#305
Dumb talking point.	JaneyVee	Jun 2015	#7
Confusing bluntness and adolescent petulance is the first mistake. Just sayin', part two...	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#8
gender dysphoria is pretty much a universal experience across countries and cultures	Johonny	Jun 2015	#10
Thank you. This was the most	Ilsa	Jun 2015	#131
However many, many people try to assimulate themselves into another culture.	AngryAmish	Jun 2015	#144
I can move to Nairobi. I can learn Bantu culture.	Codeine	Jun 2015	#179
Steal?	AngryAmish	Jun 2015	#180
You misread.	Codeine	Jun 2015	#185
Race, ethnicity and gender are all social constructs	AngryAmish	Jun 2015	#197
If you care to learn more:	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#308
Americans are not always white	treestar	Jun 2015	#365
Nailed it	Aerows	Jun 2015	#317
Uh, nope. Big fail	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#11
Caitlyn Jenner IS a woman.	polly7	Jun 2015	#13
Can't we say the same for Dolezal, "no matter what body parts she may or may not have"?	uhnope	Jun 2015	#20
.	gollygee	Jun 2015	#27
No. nt.	polly7	Jun 2015	#28
I honestly do not see much of a difference	whathehell	Jun 2015	#46
yes, funny how that POV is met with...	uhnope	Jun 2015	#61
Your oppression and self-styled martyrdom will be given all the credibility they indeed, warrant...	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#94
Because it's not about your point of view.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#312
Uhnope, Uh, remember me? Who supported your many posts before? Then you get a time out and come back	freshwest	Jun 2015	#373
Well said	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2015	#378
No. eom	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#49
She can be who she wishes...	pipoman	Jun 2015	#138
Which makes no sense at all.	polly7	Jun 2015	#148
I'm not arguing the psychology of transgender	pipoman	Jun 2015	#208
I'm just going to steal this and put it here:	polly7	Jun 2015	#214
And markpkessinger is an expert in...?	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#357
I don't know what she/he is an expert in.	polly7	Jun 2015	#374
As I said, it is the definition of our terms	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#411
I know what you said.	polly7	Jun 2015	#414
Allow me to clarify	Android3.14	Jun 2015	#427
There is no science that will tell you if someone is 'black.'	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#207
Title IX	1939	Jun 2015	#352
This isn't funny at all.	polly7	Jun 2015	#379
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#381
Not meant to be funny	1939	Jun 2015	#451
Yeah, no.	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#453
Nice post, Anne Lamott!	KamaAina	Jun 2015	#14
I suggest you read this piece by a black woman. It tells you precisely why	cali	Jun 2015	#15
This is why.	KamaAina	Jun 2015	#16
Everyone has a gender	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2015	#18
Shame on the jurors who let this stand.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2015	#21
Without doubt	etherealtruth	Jun 2015	#31
Blunderous questions sometimes need answering. This one was.	Eleanors38	Jun 2015	#36
This IS a discussion board, we should be able to discuss	NightWatcher	Jun 2015	#50
To say of a transgender person "while still sporting a penis" is transphobic.	gollygee	Jun 2015	#58
The OP may have That dreaded Agenda©. But if it's a slow-moving target, hit it.	Eleanors38	Jun 2015	#155
It makes me wonder	Aerows	Jun 2015	#120
No, the 5 who voted to leave and the OP are, though.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2015	#121
No doubt! n/t	Aerows	Jun 2015	#139
NAILED IT! (nt)	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#158
You aren't.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#309
Why?	philosslayer	Jun 2015	#162
It's a transphobic and racist right wing rude and insensitive dig.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2015	#173
A jury disagrees with you	philosslayer	Jun 2015	#175
Gee, I even noticed!!	PeaceNikki	Jun 2015	#177
In other words, "Shame on the jurors who disagree with me on this topic" nt	Logical	Jun 2015	#164
I would be interested in reading the reasons duers voted to leave. Were they unclear on the	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#178
absolutely correct	Skittles	Jun 2015	#263
thank you. indeed. what an ignorant transphobic op.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2015	#385
Because I don't want that batshit insane woman claiming to speak for me and my culture.	Blue_Tires	Jun 2015	#23
now she's "batshit insane"? Calling down Johnny Otis!	uhnope	Jun 2015	#41
Look into her past...She's a conwoman of the highest degree	Blue_Tires	Jun 2015	#73
I wonder if she has a mental disorder	MosheFeingold	Jun 2015	#74
And yet is that really different?	Chemisse	Jun 2015	#211
If Caitlyn Jenner for the sake of argument	Blue_Tires	Jun 2015	#394
Good point. n/t	Chemisse	Jun 2015	#445
I agree she is insane	gaspee	Jun 2015	#391
Hateful	Aerows	Jun 2015	#24
The difference between being forced to live a lie and deliberately choosing to do so...	Lizzie Poppet	Jun 2015	#29
I can't post what I would like to say to the OP	Aerows	Jun 2015	#37
If it gets hidden, I'll copy, paste and repost.	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#96
I'm not going to go there.	Aerows	Jun 2015	#102
You were clear in the direction of your frustration, and I completely agree with your sentiments.	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#128
I hoped so	Aerows	Jun 2015	#132
That is the key to the whole thing.	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#345
Thank you. That is a good comparisin	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#40
Efficiently & symmetrically put, as always. nt ^^^	Eleanors38	Jun 2015	#48
Previous alert lets this stand 2-5. Here are full jury results. WTF	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#38
And Id like to know who the fuck thought this hateful bullshit was acceptable.	bunnies	Jun 2015	#43
Why was the OP hateful?	tabasco	Jun 2015	#122
Its been explained numerous times in this thread.	bunnies	Jun 2015	#153
I only see a bunch of flaming, no explanations.	tabasco	Jun 2015	#169
Here are a few to start with.	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#181
Race is not an "immutable physical characteristic."	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#209
+1000. nt.	polly7	Jun 2015	#232
How you LOOK determines your race in America	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2015	#361
+1000	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#388
How can gender be fluid? It's not that way in the rest of the natural world - biology, botany,	Hestia	Jun 2015	#387
If you are truly interested in understanding the idea...	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#401
Great information! TY. nt.	polly7	Jun 2015	#403
Tell you what.	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#346
I alerted but I didn't even get that much info back. n/t	gollygee	Jun 2015	#44
I alerted on it too	Aerows	Jun 2015	#142
That always irritates me when I alert on something	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#347
Check your inbox	Autumn	Jun 2015	#57
That's fine...This talking point was circulating on Conservative Twitter 3-4 days ago	Blue_Tires	Jun 2015	#77
That this post was allowed to stand	Aerows	Jun 2015	#86
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2015	#154
OFFS nt	geek tragedy	Jun 2015	#45
I really hate this place sometimes.	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#53
+1	hrmjustin	Jun 2015	#326
I find the dual levels of bigotry in such a suggestion palpable.	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#59
It's incredibly	Aerows	Jun 2015	#107
In the old days we'd say	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Jun 2015	#62
Check above, a jury actually voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#69
Here are results on the OP, 2-5. The 1-6 was another post	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#79
No, that was a post in the thread. The OP was a 2-5 to LEAVE IT.	Autumn	Jun 2015	#80
Okay, five bigots on a jury instead of six.	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#82
Jury results	zappaman	Jun 2015	#110
More vote to hide a post calling bigots out than the bigoted post? Juries can be odd	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#125
Notice the hides had nothing to say?	zappaman	Jun 2015	#129
That I did	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#130
I'm late to the party	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Jun 2015	#92
Yes, which tells you a lot of people here do not view her question as "bigotry".	whathehell	Jun 2015	#97
"When did we all start getting so afraid, of QUESTIONS??"	handmade34	Jun 2015	#190
The OP is in the form of a question, is it not?	whathehell	Jun 2015	#217
I was trying	handmade34	Jun 2015	#223
When did you stop beating your significant other?	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#250
We get it.	blogslut	Jun 2015	#66
Because she's only black when it's convenient, Dolezal was plenty white when she sued Howard U.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#70
I agree	damnedifIknow	Jun 2015	#100
She has harmed both the AA and trans community with her "transracial" bullshit.	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#112
She as in Jenner	damnedifIknow	Jun 2015	#123
Got it!	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#134
+1000. n/t	winter is coming	Jun 2015	#176
What a nasty post.	City Lights	Jun 2015	#76
What does the ACLU have to do with this?	Liberal Veteran	Jun 2015	#85
What a stupid and mean spirited post	Lil Missy	Jun 2015	#88
Why are white people trying to tell black people to let Rachael Dolezal be black?	bravenak	Jun 2015	#89
I don't think this breaks down on racial lines	ecstatic	Jun 2015	#101
lol you got it backward. The NAACP was fine with Dolezal. White conservatives are mocking her	uhnope	Jun 2015	#103
And you consider yourself in that group?	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#109
Again. What does the ACLU have to do with this?	Liberal Veteran	Jun 2015	#115
google is friend	uhnope	Jun 2015	#119
Wow. Would you like to buy a clue? ACLU is not the same thing as NAACP.	Liberal Veteran	Jun 2015	#127
thx! my point doubled down	uhnope	Jun 2015	#136
Not yours, it would seem.	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#143
I'm sure police would be more than happy to oblige black folks they pull over.	geek tragedy	Jun 2015	#114
No shit	Aerows	Jun 2015	#149
Lol!!!	bravenak	Jun 2015	#163
Holy fuck that was funny.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#314
lol	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#310
It would be funny if it were not so fucked up.	bravenak	Jun 2015	#325
Welcome to whiteness. I hope you like mayonnaise.	Comrade Grumpy	Jun 2015	#390
I'll learn to like it, my new culture demands nothing less!!	bravenak	Jun 2015	#442
You are insulting, transphobic and should self-delete.	morningfog	Jun 2015	#90
too stupid to see their transphobia	Skittles	Jun 2015	#274
Also managed to get booted off zir's own thread.	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#285
I am not fooled by these bigots	Skittles	Jun 2015	#455
Trash this post. Uneffingbelievable!	misterhighwasted	Jun 2015	#105
Why can't I be both?	ileus	Jun 2015	#124
Disgusting OP...	Spazito	Jun 2015	#137
the OP kept referring to NAACP as ACLU	JI7	Jun 2015	#141
Interesting observation.	lpbk2713	Jun 2015	#145
You mean you don't ever have the urge	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#349
Lol!	BeanMusical	Jun 2015	#350
:P	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#366
But seriously, you make a great point.	BeanMusical	Jun 2015	#428
Damn, your fucking avatar is dusty.	BeanMusical	Jun 2015	#351
Uh, nope.	KamaAina	Jun 2015	#147
This man isn't "sporting a penis", is he still male? Is he still a man?	uppityperson	Jun 2015	#150
+infinity (nt)	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#156
SHAME on you and every jury member that let your PoS thread stand.	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#152
I think the science is out on 'lady brains'	Matariki	Jun 2015	#204
Uhm, just an example:	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#253
Thank you	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#256
I co-sign ever word of your post topic. I don't even know why I clicked on this thread.	Number23	Jun 2015	#260
Rachel Dolezal Sued Howard University for Anti-White Racial Discrimination!	B Calm	Jun 2015	#160
Straight men have sued for being perceived as gay.	AngryAmish	Jun 2015	#220
For fuck's sake. Hide this garbage already.	Solly Mack	Jun 2015	#166
There is no such ting as trans-fucking-racialism.	Codeine	Jun 2015	#167
oh really? Then what about "race as a social construct"?	uhnope	Jun 2015	#171
It is a social construct.	Codeine	Jun 2015	#183
If this woman is black, why did she sue Howard University for discriminating against her for being-	bravenak	Jun 2015	#184
"We do not have to let this white lady be black until we get to be white if we want."	Codeine	Jun 2015	#187
This is just so bizzarre!	bravenak	Jun 2015	#195
I'm not a total troglodyte!	Codeine	Jun 2015	#202
One imposed from the outside	jberryhill	Jun 2015	#229
Can you point to the science that makes a person biologically a gender?	Matariki	Jun 2015	#198
Gender expression is a social construct, for example, dresses for girls, pants for boys...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#254
That's fine and I don't disagree	Matariki	Jun 2015	#264
Some links:	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#275
Thanks for the links, marking so I can read when I have some spare time. I read the PT article and	seaglass	Jun 2015	#369
I'm white and I'm not freaking out	TexasBushwhacker	Jun 2015	#174
Doh!	AgingAmerican	Jun 2015	#186
I support your thesis.	Sienna86	Jun 2015	#188
Not so fast with that DNA test, there...	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#213
It's not a thesis. It's bullshit. Please read this article.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#332
"just sayin'" my ass!	Codeine	Jun 2015	#191
Because words no longer have any meaning in the face of feels. [nt]	Jester Messiah	Jun 2015	#192
OP rating: Four Face Palms	Prism	Jun 2015	#193
Seems like a double standard to me...	smiley	Jun 2015	#194
...	99Forever	Jun 2015	#203
Seems to me that	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2015	#206
Good point.	Chemisse	Jun 2015	#215
I think the argument is whether or not it does cause harm	Matariki	Jun 2015	#230
Oh wait, I have an example!	Aerows	Jun 2015	#321
How do you know that a woman is a non-lesbian trying to be racy instead of a bisexual woman? n/t	prayin4rain	Jun 2015	#331
How do you know that a woman pretending to be bisexual	Aerows	Jun 2015	#334
What? ?? I don't? That's why I'm curious how you do. n/t	prayin4rain	Jun 2015	#336
Kind of brings it home to you	Aerows	Jun 2015	#337
I do not understand why this post was allowed to stand.	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#218
Because bigotry abounds.	Codeine	Jun 2015	#241
I agree we all have potential blind spots and bigotry issues.	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#246
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2015	#219
Chromosonal sex assignment is not the same as gender identity.	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#235
Oh fuck that!	Codeine	Jun 2015	#236
This ^	PeaceNikki	Jun 2015	#238
I don't undestand why that troll hasn't been banned yet, she is an open social conservative...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#257
With a smattering of antisemitism as well. nt	Codeine	Jun 2015	#267
Yup!	Behind the Aegis	Jun 2015	#328
Does make the mind reel, doesn't it?	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#270
She sued Howard U for discrimination against whites.	RandySF	Jun 2015	#240
Exactly. It's the lying that pisses people off.	Nevernose	Jun 2015	#409
This discussion reminds me of this	NobodyHere	Jun 2015	#242
first off	DonCoquixote	Jun 2015	#258
Two Camps	sub.theory	Jun 2015	#277
I certainly can see a parallel in the reactions it's causing	Matariki	Jun 2015	#278
btw	Matariki	Jun 2015	#279
Since when is the goal to "deconstruct gender" what does that even mean?	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#281
Yep.	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#289
Just because someone hasn't been lucky enough to be able to have lived their	polly7	Jun 2015	#284
She not	LostOne4Ever	Jun 2015	#287
I wish we could have a discussion about whether transraciality exists	LittleBlue	Jun 2015	#280
Race is largely a cultural construct, what differences exist are superficial. "Transracial" isn't...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#282
It's already happening	LittleBlue	Jun 2015	#290
I see a lot of people who don't care that their subculture is adopted by someone who...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#292
Someone did start one tonight:	beam me up scottie	Jun 2015	#297
People shouting BIGOT all through this thread need to chill	elias7	Jun 2015	#293
Its the framing the questions which is the problem, you don't want honest answers...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#295
Wow, you project a lot	elias7	Jun 2015	#458
The OP used offensive language, transphobic language to ask their "question"...	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#459
The knowledge you ask for was shared in abundance in this thread.	Change has come	Jun 2015	#298
Yeah, I see that you missed the memo.	prayin4rain	Jun 2015	#299
Did you not read through the thread?	Change has come	Jun 2015	#307
Yes, I find the wording	prayin4rain	Jun 2015	#316
This should help you understand.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#330
This doesn't help me	elias7	Jun 2015	#457
Penises don't make you male.	Starry Messenger	Jun 2015	#296
Apparently	Aerows	Jun 2015	#303
...	Kurska	Jun 2015	#304
I want to mention	Aerows	Jun 2015	#306
I totally agree Aerows.	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#315
The OP has been locked out of the thread.	Change has come	Jun 2015	#319
The op is one hide short of a vacation.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2015	#386
The vacation has been granted. nt	City Lights	Jun 2015	#431
Thank you Admins!	DeadLetterOffice	Jun 2015	#446
Aerows, at least one of them (the OP) is now Flagged for Review.	countryjake	Jun 2015	#434
Because the comparison is idiotic	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#318
I know you can't reply, but you should self delete anyway. This is a horrible and transphobic OP	stevenleser	Jun 2015	#323
Thing is, Rachel Dolezal protrayed herself as black and	akbacchus_BC	Jun 2015	#324
Unrec!	hrmjustin	Jun 2015	#327
How unfortunate for DU that an OP this insenstive to a member of the trans community survived an	merrily	Jun 2015	#329
Plus 1000 n/t	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2015	#359
Thanks.	merrily	Jun 2015	#360
It's really sad.	City Lights	Jun 2015	#432
To all who are asking why can't an apple be a truck	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#333
Great question	Omnith	Jun 2015	#335
And what IS "transracial?"	MrScorpio	Jun 2015	#339
Listen up, White Culture is not freaking out!	akbacchus_BC	Jun 2015	#338
wtf	Jamastiene	Jun 2015	#341
bigots who are excited because they think we cannot see through them	Skittles	Jun 2015	#348
+1	BeanMusical	Jun 2015	#430
If the NAACP was cool with having a white woman identifying as an African American woman	merrily	Jun 2015	#353
Who said white culture	Snow Leopard	Jun 2015	#410
My friend used to joke with me..	yuiyoshida	Jun 2015	#424
Enjoy your time-out...	Spazito	Jun 2015	#433
+1 nt	Zorra	Jun 2015	#436
For anyone who may be wondering...the jury results on that other one...	countryjake	Jun 2015	#437
I was shocked to see it just barely got enough votes...	Spazito	Jun 2015	#438
Me too...	joeybee12	Jun 2015	#439
I wasn't shocked at all.	countryjake	Jun 2015	#443
Well said...	Spazito	Jun 2015	#444
This could truly make people equal, be who you want	obliviously	Jun 2015	#440
I don't think Jenner ever claimed she wasn't' born with a penis	booley	Jun 2015	#441
I don't think a non-famous transwoman is under any obligation	prayin4rain	Jun 2015	#447
How are you still around with all this shit? nt.	LexVegas	Jun 2015	#449
he is currently out for some shit	Skittles	Jun 2015	#456
In a 2009 interview she stated "I’m trans-racial"	krawhitham	Jun 2015	#454

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