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In reply to the discussion: If Jenner can be a woman while still sporting a penis, why can't Rachel Dolezal be African American? [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)373. Uhnope, Uh, remember me? Who supported your many posts before? Then you get a time out and come back
Last edited Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)
and do this? What's up?You're free to post any opinion piece you choose and don't need my or anyone else's okay. But you are offending a lot of people with real life problems dealing with being POC and differently percieved that Putin is currently oppressing.
You edited or deleted before when I told you before it was not a good idea. I think you should delete this as it serves no useful purpose.
Rachel played both sides of this for her own profit and could pass as either race with tanning lotion and a hair perm. Her actions are that of a grifter, not a person who is confused.
Jenner may have been confused, but only by being denied what her mind is telling her. People adapt to survive when they don't fit what others think they should be. The birth certificate said male. Her mind and heart said female.
A black person can't change their color no more than a white person can become black by wishful thinking. The struggles Jenner has gone through were life-long, but you deal with what life gave you. This Wiki entry, which is edited, shows Jenner is considering losing that penis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner
I have a FTM BNL. The surgery is terrible. The doctors told him, after years of counseling, that in the last trimester of pregnancy his mother made too much testosterone and that effected his identity, but it was much too late to affect his body.
Whether people accept it or not, if you know someone well, you know it's not a fad or choice. We all knew something was up. He was not only into women, but he was hyper masculine in all of his interests. He wasn't doing that to please anyone, it caused him a lot of conflict and anger as people treated him like a freak. He knew he was not a woman, but there he was, stuck.
He gained no advantage from this situation, in fact the whole thing cost a fortune to go through it. Some people cannot afford it and end up in limbo.
He, like Jenner, took some time to figure out what was going on, and thought he was a lesbian but came to accept that wasn't what he was. He didn't want anyone to make love to him as a woman. There was not one feminine thing about him his entire life. But it is easier for a woman to wear men's clothes than the other way around.
What Rachel did was a choice, and she changed her choice of race when it advantaged her. It was choice proven by her actions, suing Howard University as a white person for discriminationg against whites. She rode on the backlash against affirmative action and played the reverse racism card.
There is a world of difference in these two individuals.
IMO, it's NOOB what is going in these people's lives until they start to affect others. Jenner got divorced when it was apparent that sex as it had been was no longer desireable (and now says he regards himself as an asexual person) and most likely was not enjoying sex for some time.
Gay men married and fathered children to escape the stigma of being gay have not been unknown. But Jenner is not gay. My BNL decided he was not a lesbian. It was not who he really was or felt like. And he had no problem finding women who wanted him before or after the transformation.
Bottom line is that Rachel, when she was identifying as black, it advantaged her.
It did /does not advantage Jenner. I consider the juxaposition of the two situations similar to RW talking points, illogical and dishonest. Don't fall for this.
There have been black people who have lightened their skin. Contrary what I read here at DU about Michael Jackson, the reason he had his skin lighened was not from a desire to 'be white,' but because of a skin condition where patches of skin lost their ability to use melanin and so he was black with white patches on his face.
His skin could not longer utilize melanin to match the rest. I've seen this with black people who have had burns. It's noticeable as in stare worthy noticeable.
He wasn't trying to 'be white,' he was suffering from a disease. Jenner was suffering a disorder where he felt he was in the wrong body. The changes didn't make them more popular or give them anything they could not have had otherwise.
When a woman loses estrogen as her dominant hormone level and her natural supply of testosterone increases in proportion, she may grow hair where it never was, and suffer from male-pattern baldness. Another cause for this effect are diseases or disorders around the ovary or uterus. She is not a happy camper because her body isn't working the way society or she herself wants it to act.
Neither was Jenner nor Jackson's doing what was easier for them.
But Rachel was playing both sides of the fence and making black people look foolish with her rantings, then began lying about her family. She did what helped her whenever it helped her, playing white or black.
She found an easy mark in the black community, as they have accepted people of all hues and races, because they are the default race according to some whites. Not being 'white enough,' is a real term for some white folks.
It's all a very personal matter. I'm disappointed in you and you know how I have defended you on DU.
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If Jenner can be a woman while still sporting a penis, why can't Rachel Dolezal be African American? [View all]
uhnope
Jun 2015
OP
Which, by human definition (cause race or breeds are a made up term) is essentially race
Drahthaardogs
Jun 2015
#244
Gender identity is not dependent on body parts. Women who have no uterus or ovaries are still women
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#95
I had a hysterectomy, am postmenopausal. I consider myself female, a woman. You deny me that?
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#117
Postmenopausal means none of those female hormones, which makes women's features coarsen, facial
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#157
None of those facial changes has happened to me, and I've been post-menapausal for awhile
whathehell
Jun 2015
#224
What body parts "makes you a woman"? You seem to also say being a woman is dependent on
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#252
Unless a person fully transitions physically, they are still he/she as they were born?
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#259
Is the person in this reply a real man? He no longer has those biological physical
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#261
No, you are posting your point of view, and are making absolute statements based on minimal
Zorra
Jun 2015
#311
It depends. For someone transitioning to their perceived gender identity of male, no. For those
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#417
Why?..Why is it all so negative?..I think unhope is just asking an honest question
whathehell
Jun 2015
#84
Do you have the slightest clue how stupid your wavey thiong is in these situations
HERVEPA
Jun 2015
#251
It was late. That being said, the opinions of those who can't spell a word like "thing"
whathehell
Jun 2015
#370
For your knowledge, there is a difference between "can't spell" and a typing mistake
HERVEPA
Jun 2015
#371
I don't think it's fair or accurate to automatically categorize the DU Jury pool as "transphobic".
whathehell
Jun 2015
#231
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE - Explanation: Calling it what it is ...is not hide worthy.
L0oniX
Jun 2015
#372
I'm afraid it is, and if you had "listened and learned" from a larger pool of people,
whathehell
Jun 2015
#367
No one from that larger pool is successfully pushing 'trans-racial' as legitimate theory.
lovemydog
Jun 2015
#384
Not in the extremely short time that the Dolezar case has been in the news, maybe
whathehell
Jun 2015
#392
Thank you...It is being discussed all across the media, social and otherwise
whathehell
Jun 2015
#368
Why do you put identifies in quotes? That is nasty towards trans gendered people, implying that they
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#17
I have a feeling she probably never felt all that privileged 'being a white man'.
polly7
Jun 2015
#83
The difference between being forced to live a lie and choosing to do so is huge
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#65
Juror one is a fucking transphobe. This board is crawling with them. N/t
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#189
What fucking drives me up the wall is they are tolerated here. This is not a safe place...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#201
Confusing bluntness and adolescent petulance is the first mistake. Just sayin', part two...
LanternWaste
Jun 2015
#8
gender dysphoria is pretty much a universal experience across countries and cultures
Johonny
Jun 2015
#10
However many, many people try to assimulate themselves into another culture.
AngryAmish
Jun 2015
#144
Can't we say the same for Dolezal, "no matter what body parts she may or may not have"?
uhnope
Jun 2015
#20
Your oppression and self-styled martyrdom will be given all the credibility they indeed, warrant...
LanternWaste
Jun 2015
#94
Uhnope, Uh, remember me? Who supported your many posts before? Then you get a time out and come back
freshwest
Jun 2015
#373
The OP may have That dreaded Agenda©. But if it's a slow-moving target, hit it.
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#155
I would be interested in reading the reasons duers voted to leave. Were they unclear on the
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#178
Because I don't want that batshit insane woman claiming to speak for me and my culture.
Blue_Tires
Jun 2015
#23
The difference between being forced to live a lie and deliberately choosing to do so...
Lizzie Poppet
Jun 2015
#29
You were clear in the direction of your frustration, and I completely agree with your sentiments.
LanternWaste
Jun 2015
#128
How can gender be fluid? It's not that way in the rest of the natural world - biology, botany,
Hestia
Jun 2015
#387
That's fine...This talking point was circulating on Conservative Twitter 3-4 days ago
Blue_Tires
Jun 2015
#77
More vote to hide a post calling bigots out than the bigoted post? Juries can be odd
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#125
Yes, which tells you a lot of people here do not view her question as "bigotry".
whathehell
Jun 2015
#97
Because she's only black when it's convenient, Dolezal was plenty white when she sued Howard U.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#70
She has harmed both the AA and trans community with her "transracial" bullshit.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#112
Why are white people trying to tell black people to let Rachael Dolezal be black?
bravenak
Jun 2015
#89
lol you got it backward. The NAACP was fine with Dolezal. White conservatives are mocking her
uhnope
Jun 2015
#103
Wow. Would you like to buy a clue? ACLU is not the same thing as NAACP.
Liberal Veteran
Jun 2015
#127
I'm sure police would be more than happy to oblige black folks they pull over.
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#114
I co-sign ever word of your post topic. I don't even know why I clicked on this thread.
Number23
Jun 2015
#260
If this woman is black, why did she sue Howard University for discriminating against her for being-
bravenak
Jun 2015
#184
"We do not have to let this white lady be black until we get to be white if we want."
Codeine
Jun 2015
#187
Gender expression is a social construct, for example, dresses for girls, pants for boys...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#254
Thanks for the links, marking so I can read when I have some spare time. I read the PT article and
seaglass
Jun 2015
#369
How do you know that a woman is a non-lesbian trying to be racy instead of a bisexual woman? n/t
prayin4rain
Jun 2015
#331
I don't undestand why that troll hasn't been banned yet, she is an open social conservative...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#257
Since when is the goal to "deconstruct gender" what does that even mean?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#281
Race is largely a cultural construct, what differences exist are superficial. "Transracial" isn't...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#282
I see a lot of people who don't care that their subculture is adopted by someone who...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#292
Its the framing the questions which is the problem, you don't want honest answers...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#295
The OP used offensive language, transphobic language to ask their "question"...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#459
I know you can't reply, but you should self delete anyway. This is a horrible and transphobic OP
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#323
How unfortunate for DU that an OP this insenstive to a member of the trans community survived an
merrily
Jun 2015
#329
If the NAACP was cool with having a white woman identifying as an African American woman
merrily
Jun 2015
#353