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DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
401. If you are truly interested in understanding the idea...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jun 2015

... may I suggest you read the following piece called Understanding Gender
https://www.genderspectrum.org/quick-links/understanding-gender/


Biological Gender (sex) includes physical attributes such as external genitalia, sex chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and internal reproductive structures. At birth, it is used to assign sex, that is, to identify individuals as male or female. Gender on the other hand is far more complicated. It is the complex interrelationship between an individual’s sex (gender biology), one’s internal sense of self as male, female, both or neither (gender identity) as well as one’s outward presentations and behaviors (gender expression) related to that perception, including their gender role. Together, the intersection of these three dimensions produces one’s authentic sense of gender, both in how people experience their own gender as well as how others perceive it.

Western culture has come to view gender as a binary concept, with two rigidly fixed options: male or female, both grounded in a person’s physical anatomy. When a child is born, a quick glance between the legs determines the gender label that the child will carry for life. But even if gender is to be restricted to basic biology, a binary concept still fails to capture the rich variation that exists. Rather than just two distinct boxes, biological gender occurs across a continuum of possibilities. This spectrum of anatomical variations by itself should be enough to disregard the simplistic notions of a binary gender system.

But beyond anatomy, there are multiple domains defining gender. In turn, these domains can be independently characterized across a range of possibilities. Instead of the static, binary model produced through a solely physical understanding of gender, a far richer tapestry of biology, gender expression, and gender identity intersect in a multidimensional array of possibilities. Quite simply, the gender spectrum represents a more nuanced, and ultimately truly authentic model of human gender.
Race is a physical characteristic brooklynite Jun 2015 #1
Just wait a while MosheFeingold Jun 2015 #9
Not really.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #19
This. Yes. n/t DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #200
That is absolutely not true Drahthaardogs Jun 2015 #234
Not race, no. Region, possibly. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #237
Which, by human definition (cause race or breeds are a made up term) is essentially race Drahthaardogs Jun 2015 #244
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #249
You might disagree, but the facts are the facts Android3.14 Jun 2015 #276
Yup. Totally. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #283
Bill Nye? You break out an engineer to argue genetics and anthropology? Drahthaardogs Jun 2015 #435
The choice in characteristics is both a matter of culture and... Android3.14 Jun 2015 #452
So is a kid with a white parent and black parent black or white? Adrahil Jun 2015 #288
"We're all a collection of alleles" Android3.14 Jun 2015 #354
With all due respect JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #358
Oh, I agree... Adrahil Jun 2015 #362
Thanks - I figured you would JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #364
and gender is not? whathehell Jun 2015 #32
No, it's not. You're thinking of sex. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #78
No, I'm thinking of body parts -- biology. n/t whathehell Jun 2015 #87
...which is what sex is. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #91
See post #106. n/t whathehell Jun 2015 #111
Often we are on the same side of the fence, but not this time Android3.14 Jun 2015 #355
Gender identity is not dependent on body parts. Women who have no uterus or ovaries are still women uppityperson Jun 2015 #95
Sex and gender have been used interchangeably whathehell Jun 2015 #106
I had a hysterectomy, am postmenopausal. I consider myself female, a woman. You deny me that? uppityperson Jun 2015 #117
Yeah, me too whathehell Jun 2015 #133
Postmenopausal means none of those female hormones, which makes women's features coarsen, facial uppityperson Jun 2015 #157
None of those facial changes has happened to me, and I've been post-menapausal for awhile whathehell Jun 2015 #224
Oh For Heaven's Sake RobinA Jun 2015 #397
No kidding.. whathehell Jun 2015 #399
Is your point gender identity is dependent upon your chromosomes? uppityperson Jun 2015 #416
Uhm, yeah you do still have the female body parts that make you a woman. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #210
Thank you. n/t whathehell Jun 2015 #247
What body parts "makes you a woman"? You seem to also say being a woman is dependent on uppityperson Jun 2015 #252
I was just posting biological facts. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #255
Unless a person fully transitions physically, they are still he/she as they were born? uppityperson Jun 2015 #259
Is the person in this reply a real man? He no longer has those biological physical uppityperson Jun 2015 #261
The only point I wished to make is that a woman Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #269
No, you are posting your point of view, and are making absolute statements based on minimal Zorra Jun 2015 #311
So you bieve that a woman who has a Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #322
It depends. For someone transitioning to their perceived gender identity of male, no. For those uppityperson Jun 2015 #417
None of my posts on this thread are about transgender people. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #419
Yes, you have. The Op is about that, and yes, you have posted that. uppityperson Jun 2015 #420
That was my way of explaining Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #425
ok, thanks for clarifying. eom uppityperson Jun 2015 #426
Until about 300BC most of humanity thought the earth was flat LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #161
Um, I wouldn't call that the best analogy.. whathehell Jun 2015 #245
And even then Aerows Jun 2015 #301
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #104
Lame. whathehell Jun 2015 #108
Jury Results and the Administrator's Terms of Service countryjake Jun 2015 #265
Thank you, countryjake. whathehell Jun 2015 #382
Your sarcasm is noted. countryjake Jun 2015 #415
According to Wikipedia, race is a social concept Matariki Jun 2015 #63
So is gender, at least as much as race. pnwmom Jun 2015 #340
Wow. Dumbest post ever. Read a bit about transgender then try again. HERVEPA Jun 2015 #2
" H2O Man Jun 2015 #30
Nailedf it. This thread is an uhnope. pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #35
^^This^^ Yep. nt Zorra Jun 2015 #302
Dunno. This one gives it a run for its money. gollygee Jun 2015 #389
That's just ugly. MineralMan Jun 2015 #3
What an ugly post. Shame on you. myrna minx Jun 2015 #4
That's fucked up ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #5
Why?..Why is it all so negative?..I think unhope is just asking an honest question whathehell Jun 2015 #84
If it was a 7 to 0 fail Aerows Jun 2015 #93
My bad. It was a 5-2 and that is still a large fail. whathehell Jun 2015 #126
On this discussion board forthemiddle Jun 2015 #165
You mean like is Obama Kenyan? uppityperson Jun 2015 #172
No, it was 2-5 leave, not 0-7. uppityperson Jun 2015 #98
That's bad enough :(. n/t Aerows Jun 2015 #113
Juror # 7 illustrates the iqnorance quite clearly Skittles Jun 2015 #216
It's the whole Aerows Jun 2015 #221
of course it is, but juries are a crapshoot Skittles Jun 2015 #222
I should have written a better alert message jberryhill Jun 2015 #226
Any rational person Aerows Jun 2015 #228
Still a pretty big fail. whathehell Jun 2015 #116
Honest question my ass HERVEPA Jun 2015 #151
Thank you for sharing. whathehell Jun 2015 #243
Do you have the slightest clue how stupid your wavey thiong is in these situations HERVEPA Jun 2015 #251
It was late. That being said, the opinions of those who can't spell a word like "thing" whathehell Jun 2015 #370
For your knowledge, there is a difference between "can't spell" and a typing mistake HERVEPA Jun 2015 #371
For yours, we have something called "spellcheck" whathehell Jun 2015 #376
You might want to ...... HERVEPA Jun 2015 #383
You might want to.... whathehell Jun 2015 #393
Wow. Such originality. (are they your false teeth)? HERVEPA Jun 2015 #395
Yes, you too! whathehell Jun 2015 #398
So glad you're no longer in Philadelphia HERVEPA Jun 2015 #404
Me too whathehell Jun 2015 #422
It's TERF-like and I dislike TERF additudes ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #159
What is "TERF-like"? whathehell Jun 2015 #239
Ew. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #291
"EW"? whathehell Jun 2015 #380
I don't think the transphobic nature of the DU jury pool Codeine Jun 2015 #168
I don't think it's fair or accurate to automatically categorize the DU Jury pool as "transphobic". whathehell Jun 2015 #231
the question is being asked by transphobes / bigots Skittles Jun 2015 #227
That is a matter of opinion whathehell Jun 2015 #233
NO IT ISN'T Skittles Jun 2015 #262
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE - Explanation: Calling it what it is ...is not hide worthy. L0oniX Jun 2015 #372
the jury gets it right Skittles Jun 2015 #405
alert results irisblue Jun 2015 #377
YES IT IS whathehell Jun 2015 #402
"open inquiry" Skittles Jun 2015 #406
because the question has been indisputably settled whathehell Jun 2015 #421
it IS settled Skittles Jun 2015 #450
Here's Fascism for you... countryjake Jun 2015 #418
No idea what that is.. whathehell Jun 2015 #423
Come on ....... it's a concentration camp prisoner's outfit and number. nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #429
"Come on"? whathehell Jun 2015 #448
The Administrator's Terms of Service... countryjake Jun 2015 #268
Excuse me!? Aerows Jun 2015 #300
Before being excused, you have to actually read my post whathehell Jun 2015 #375
No, it's not a 'matter of opinion.' lovemydog Jun 2015 #313
I'm afraid it is, and if you had "listened and learned" from a larger pool of people, whathehell Jun 2015 #367
No one from that larger pool is successfully pushing 'trans-racial' as legitimate theory. lovemydog Jun 2015 #384
Not in the extremely short time that the Dolezar case has been in the news, maybe whathehell Jun 2015 #392
Fair enough. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. lovemydog Jun 2015 #396
Thank you.. whathehell Jun 2015 #400
If so, then a satisfactory answer should be easy to provide Android3.14 Jun 2015 #356
I find it very disturbing it has to be "explained" here Skittles Jun 2015 #407
I find it unsettling that angry people cannot provide an explanation Android3.14 Jun 2015 #412
HERE Skittles Jun 2015 #413
+1. It is something that can be compared and contrasted treestar Jun 2015 #363
Thank you...It is being discussed all across the media, social and otherwise whathehell Jun 2015 #368
I am not AFRAID Skittles Jun 2015 #408
I wonder if Jenner has ever been Ilsa Jun 2015 #6
yes being a former white man who is still rich and famous with a PR agency uhnope Jun 2015 #12
Why do you put identifies in quotes? That is nasty towards trans gendered people, implying that they uppityperson Jun 2015 #17
okay. I'll remove them if it makes you happy. Ilsa Jun 2015 #25
Also, she is a she, not a he. Her lifetime, not his. Thank you. uppityperson Jun 2015 #33
I'm sorry about the pronouns. I've of thought of Ilsa Jun 2015 #64
Thank you. uppityperson Jun 2015 #71
I have a feeling she probably never felt all that privileged 'being a white man'. polly7 Jun 2015 #83
Just because she may not have felt the privilege Ilsa Jun 2015 #99
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #39
I just can't see anyone making such a radical change Ilsa Jun 2015 #67
People do all sorts of crazy crap for money and fame. MosheFeingold Jun 2015 #81
Oh yeah? So, what would your price be? Jamastiene Jun 2015 #342
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2015 #22
I can't believe that ball of hatred Aerows Jun 2015 #26
There is no hatred towards her or anyone transgendered. Ilsa Jun 2015 #52
The difference between being forced to live a lie and choosing to do so is huge uppityperson Jun 2015 #65
That was not directed at you. Aerows Jun 2015 #68
Thanks. I think thrashing it out clarifies Ilsa Jun 2015 #72
It's disgusting that it gets to stand. Where the hell are we? Action_Patrol Jun 2015 #286
Not the DU I am Aerows Jun 2015 #294
The board makes a lot of the right noises about trans issues, Codeine Jun 2015 #170
Well Aerows Jun 2015 #182
It's not so quiet the last year or so. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #344
What hatred? Chemisse Jun 2015 #205
The OP used to mean Original Post, as in initial post Aerows Jun 2015 #212
Good God, why the hell was this WBW nonsense allowed to stand? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #42
Why in the hell Aerows Jun 2015 #75
I would have voted to hide. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #47
+1 gollygee Jun 2015 #51
It's a right wing meme all over the wingnut blogs and forums. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #55
Also revealing gollygee Jun 2015 #60
juror #1, oy nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #54
Juror one is a fucking transphobe. This board is crawling with them. N/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #189
It floors me when they say shit like that. Codeine Jun 2015 #199
What fucking drives me up the wall is they are tolerated here. This is not a safe place... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #201
but do not go anywhere Skittles Jun 2015 #272
Yes. The LGBT community on DU has been getting victimized repeatedly Zorra Jun 2015 #320
OMG Skittles Jun 2015 #271
Juror #1 just added to the transphobia. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #343
Thank you. Your make very good points. n/t whathehell Jun 2015 #34
please see my comment to aerow below. nt Ilsa Jun 2015 #56
I saw it and I agree with you. whathehell Jun 2015 #118
And Jenner is the only trans woman ever since the history of mankind... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #135
I think about them a lot, actually. Ilsa Jun 2015 #140
So you think feminine men have never been raped? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #146
+100,000,000 ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #196
I'm not the one making claims of identifying with a Ilsa Jun 2015 #225
Alert away LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #248
These statistics are pretty heartbreaking. :( nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #266
I know LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #273
THANK YOU. OUTSTANDING POST. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #305
Dumb talking point. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #7
Confusing bluntness and adolescent petulance is the first mistake. Just sayin', part two... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #8
gender dysphoria is pretty much a universal experience across countries and cultures Johonny Jun 2015 #10
Thank you. This was the most Ilsa Jun 2015 #131
However many, many people try to assimulate themselves into another culture. AngryAmish Jun 2015 #144
I can move to Nairobi. I can learn Bantu culture. Codeine Jun 2015 #179
Steal? AngryAmish Jun 2015 #180
You misread. Codeine Jun 2015 #185
Race, ethnicity and gender are all social constructs AngryAmish Jun 2015 #197
If you care to learn more: lovemydog Jun 2015 #308
Americans are not always white treestar Jun 2015 #365
Nailed it Aerows Jun 2015 #317
Uh, nope. Big fail uppityperson Jun 2015 #11
Caitlyn Jenner IS a woman. polly7 Jun 2015 #13
Can't we say the same for Dolezal, "no matter what body parts she may or may not have"? uhnope Jun 2015 #20
. gollygee Jun 2015 #27
No. nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #28
I honestly do not see much of a difference whathehell Jun 2015 #46
yes, funny how that POV is met with... uhnope Jun 2015 #61
Your oppression and self-styled martyrdom will be given all the credibility they indeed, warrant... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #94
Because it's not about your point of view. lovemydog Jun 2015 #312
Uhnope, Uh, remember me? Who supported your many posts before? Then you get a time out and come back freshwest Jun 2015 #373
Well said JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #378
No. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #49
She can be who she wishes... pipoman Jun 2015 #138
Which makes no sense at all. polly7 Jun 2015 #148
I'm not arguing the psychology of transgender pipoman Jun 2015 #208
I'm just going to steal this and put it here: polly7 Jun 2015 #214
And markpkessinger is an expert in...? Android3.14 Jun 2015 #357
I don't know what she/he is an expert in. polly7 Jun 2015 #374
As I said, it is the definition of our terms Android3.14 Jun 2015 #411
I know what you said. polly7 Jun 2015 #414
Allow me to clarify Android3.14 Jun 2015 #427
There is no science that will tell you if someone is 'black.' DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #207
Title IX 1939 Jun 2015 #352
This isn't funny at all. polly7 Jun 2015 #379
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NuclearDem Jun 2015 #381
Not meant to be funny 1939 Jun 2015 #451
Yeah, no. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #453
Nice post, Anne Lamott! KamaAina Jun 2015 #14
I suggest you read this piece by a black woman. It tells you precisely why cali Jun 2015 #15
This is why. KamaAina Jun 2015 #16
Everyone has a gender Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #18
Shame on the jurors who let this stand. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #21
Without doubt etherealtruth Jun 2015 #31
Blunderous questions sometimes need answering. This one was. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #36
This IS a discussion board, we should be able to discuss NightWatcher Jun 2015 #50
To say of a transgender person "while still sporting a penis" is transphobic. gollygee Jun 2015 #58
The OP may have That dreaded Agenda©. But if it's a slow-moving target, hit it. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #155
It makes me wonder Aerows Jun 2015 #120
No, the 5 who voted to leave and the OP are, though. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #121
No doubt! n/t Aerows Jun 2015 #139
NAILED IT! (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #158
You aren't. lovemydog Jun 2015 #309
Why? philosslayer Jun 2015 #162
It's a transphobic and racist right wing rude and insensitive dig. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #173
A jury disagrees with you philosslayer Jun 2015 #175
Gee, I even noticed!! PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #177
In other words, "Shame on the jurors who disagree with me on this topic" nt Logical Jun 2015 #164
I would be interested in reading the reasons duers voted to leave. Were they unclear on the uppityperson Jun 2015 #178
absolutely correct Skittles Jun 2015 #263
thank you. indeed. what an ignorant transphobic op. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #385
Because I don't want that batshit insane woman claiming to speak for me and my culture. Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #23
now she's "batshit insane"? Calling down Johnny Otis! uhnope Jun 2015 #41
Look into her past...She's a conwoman of the highest degree Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #73
I wonder if she has a mental disorder MosheFeingold Jun 2015 #74
And yet is that really different? Chemisse Jun 2015 #211
If Caitlyn Jenner for the sake of argument Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #394
Good point. n/t Chemisse Jun 2015 #445
I agree she is insane gaspee Jun 2015 #391
Hateful Aerows Jun 2015 #24
The difference between being forced to live a lie and deliberately choosing to do so... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #29
I can't post what I would like to say to the OP Aerows Jun 2015 #37
If it gets hidden, I'll copy, paste and repost. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #96
I'm not going to go there. Aerows Jun 2015 #102
You were clear in the direction of your frustration, and I completely agree with your sentiments. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #128
I hoped so Aerows Jun 2015 #132
That is the key to the whole thing. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #345
Thank you. That is a good comparisin uppityperson Jun 2015 #40
Efficiently & symmetrically put, as always. nt ^^^ Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #48
Previous alert lets this stand 2-5. Here are full jury results. WTF uppityperson Jun 2015 #38
And Id like to know who the fuck thought this hateful bullshit was acceptable. bunnies Jun 2015 #43
Why was the OP hateful? tabasco Jun 2015 #122
Its been explained numerous times in this thread. bunnies Jun 2015 #153
I only see a bunch of flaming, no explanations. tabasco Jun 2015 #169
Here are a few to start with. uppityperson Jun 2015 #181
Race is not an "immutable physical characteristic." DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #209
+1000. nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #232
How you LOOK determines your race in America JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #361
+1000 DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #388
How can gender be fluid? It's not that way in the rest of the natural world - biology, botany, Hestia Jun 2015 #387
If you are truly interested in understanding the idea... DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #401
Great information! TY. nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #403
Tell you what. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #346
I alerted but I didn't even get that much info back. n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #44
I alerted on it too Aerows Jun 2015 #142
That always irritates me when I alert on something Jamastiene Jun 2015 #347
Check your inbox Autumn Jun 2015 #57
That's fine...This talking point was circulating on Conservative Twitter 3-4 days ago Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #77
That this post was allowed to stand Aerows Jun 2015 #86
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #154
OFFS nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #45
I really hate this place sometimes. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #53
+1 hrmjustin Jun 2015 #326
I find the dual levels of bigotry in such a suggestion palpable. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #59
It's incredibly Aerows Jun 2015 #107
In the old days we'd say Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2015 #62
Check above, a jury actually voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #69
Here are results on the OP, 2-5. The 1-6 was another post uppityperson Jun 2015 #79
No, that was a post in the thread. The OP was a 2-5 to LEAVE IT. Autumn Jun 2015 #80
Okay, five bigots on a jury instead of six. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #82
Jury results zappaman Jun 2015 #110
More vote to hide a post calling bigots out than the bigoted post? Juries can be odd uppityperson Jun 2015 #125
Notice the hides had nothing to say? zappaman Jun 2015 #129
That I did uppityperson Jun 2015 #130
I'm late to the party Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2015 #92
Yes, which tells you a lot of people here do not view her question as "bigotry". whathehell Jun 2015 #97
"When did we all start getting so afraid, of QUESTIONS??" handmade34 Jun 2015 #190
The OP is in the form of a question, is it not? whathehell Jun 2015 #217
I was trying handmade34 Jun 2015 #223
When did you stop beating your significant other? Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #250
We get it. blogslut Jun 2015 #66
Because she's only black when it's convenient, Dolezal was plenty white when she sued Howard U. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #70
I agree damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #100
She has harmed both the AA and trans community with her "transracial" bullshit. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #112
She as in Jenner damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #123
Got it! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #134
+1000. n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #176
What a nasty post. City Lights Jun 2015 #76
What does the ACLU have to do with this? Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #85
What a stupid and mean spirited post Lil Missy Jun 2015 #88
Why are white people trying to tell black people to let Rachael Dolezal be black? bravenak Jun 2015 #89
I don't think this breaks down on racial lines ecstatic Jun 2015 #101
lol you got it backward. The NAACP was fine with Dolezal. White conservatives are mocking her uhnope Jun 2015 #103
And you consider yourself in that group? uppityperson Jun 2015 #109
Again. What does the ACLU have to do with this? Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #115
google is friend uhnope Jun 2015 #119
Wow. Would you like to buy a clue? ACLU is not the same thing as NAACP. Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #127
thx! my point doubled down uhnope Jun 2015 #136
Not yours, it would seem. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #143
I'm sure police would be more than happy to oblige black folks they pull over. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #114
No shit Aerows Jun 2015 #149
Lol!!! bravenak Jun 2015 #163
Holy fuck that was funny. lovemydog Jun 2015 #314
lol lovemydog Jun 2015 #310
It would be funny if it were not so fucked up. bravenak Jun 2015 #325
Welcome to whiteness. I hope you like mayonnaise. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #390
I'll learn to like it, my new culture demands nothing less!! bravenak Jun 2015 #442
You are insulting, transphobic and should self-delete. morningfog Jun 2015 #90
too stupid to see their transphobia Skittles Jun 2015 #274
Also managed to get booted off zir's own thread. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #285
I am not fooled by these bigots Skittles Jun 2015 #455
Trash this post. Uneffingbelievable! misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #105
Why can't I be both? ileus Jun 2015 #124
Disgusting OP... Spazito Jun 2015 #137
the OP kept referring to NAACP as ACLU JI7 Jun 2015 #141
Interesting observation. lpbk2713 Jun 2015 #145
You mean you don't ever have the urge Jamastiene Jun 2015 #349
Lol! BeanMusical Jun 2015 #350
:P Jamastiene Jun 2015 #366
But seriously, you make a great point. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #428
Damn, your fucking avatar is dusty. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #351
Uh, nope. KamaAina Jun 2015 #147
This man isn't "sporting a penis", is he still male? Is he still a man? uppityperson Jun 2015 #150
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #156
SHAME on you and every jury member that let your PoS thread stand. LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #152
I think the science is out on 'lady brains' Matariki Jun 2015 #204
Uhm, just an example: Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #253
Thank you LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #256
I co-sign ever word of your post topic. I don't even know why I clicked on this thread. Number23 Jun 2015 #260
Rachel Dolezal Sued Howard University for Anti-White Racial Discrimination! B Calm Jun 2015 #160
Straight men have sued for being perceived as gay. AngryAmish Jun 2015 #220
For fuck's sake. Hide this garbage already. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #166
There is no such ting as trans-fucking-racialism. Codeine Jun 2015 #167
oh really? Then what about "race as a social construct"? uhnope Jun 2015 #171
It is a social construct. Codeine Jun 2015 #183
If this woman is black, why did she sue Howard University for discriminating against her for being- bravenak Jun 2015 #184
"We do not have to let this white lady be black until we get to be white if we want." Codeine Jun 2015 #187
This is just so bizzarre! bravenak Jun 2015 #195
I'm not a total troglodyte! Codeine Jun 2015 #202
One imposed from the outside jberryhill Jun 2015 #229
Can you point to the science that makes a person biologically a gender? Matariki Jun 2015 #198
Gender expression is a social construct, for example, dresses for girls, pants for boys... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #254
That's fine and I don't disagree Matariki Jun 2015 #264
Some links: Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #275
Thanks for the links, marking so I can read when I have some spare time. I read the PT article and seaglass Jun 2015 #369
I'm white and I'm not freaking out TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #174
Doh! AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #186
I support your thesis. Sienna86 Jun 2015 #188
Not so fast with that DNA test, there... DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #213
It's not a thesis. It's bullshit. Please read this article. lovemydog Jun 2015 #332
"just sayin'" my ass! Codeine Jun 2015 #191
Because words no longer have any meaning in the face of feels. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #192
OP rating: Four Face Palms Prism Jun 2015 #193
Seems like a double standard to me... smiley Jun 2015 #194
... 99Forever Jun 2015 #203
Seems to me that MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #206
Good point. Chemisse Jun 2015 #215
I think the argument is whether or not it does cause harm Matariki Jun 2015 #230
Oh wait, I have an example! Aerows Jun 2015 #321
How do you know that a woman is a non-lesbian trying to be racy instead of a bisexual woman? n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #331
How do you know that a woman pretending to be bisexual Aerows Jun 2015 #334
What? ?? I don't? That's why I'm curious how you do. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #336
Kind of brings it home to you Aerows Jun 2015 #337
I do not understand why this post was allowed to stand. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #218
Because bigotry abounds. Codeine Jun 2015 #241
I agree we all have potential blind spots and bigotry issues. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #246
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #219
Chromosonal sex assignment is not the same as gender identity. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #235
Oh fuck that! Codeine Jun 2015 #236
This ^ PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #238
I don't undestand why that troll hasn't been banned yet, she is an open social conservative... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #257
With a smattering of antisemitism as well. nt Codeine Jun 2015 #267
Yup! Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #328
Does make the mind reel, doesn't it? DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #270
She sued Howard U for discrimination against whites. RandySF Jun 2015 #240
Exactly. It's the lying that pisses people off. Nevernose Jun 2015 #409
This discussion reminds me of this NobodyHere Jun 2015 #242
first off DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #258
Two Camps sub.theory Jun 2015 #277
I certainly can see a parallel in the reactions it's causing Matariki Jun 2015 #278
btw Matariki Jun 2015 #279
Since when is the goal to "deconstruct gender" what does that even mean? Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #281
Yep. LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #289
Just because someone hasn't been lucky enough to be able to have lived their polly7 Jun 2015 #284
She not LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #287
I wish we could have a discussion about whether transraciality exists LittleBlue Jun 2015 #280
Race is largely a cultural construct, what differences exist are superficial. "Transracial" isn't... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #282
It's already happening LittleBlue Jun 2015 #290
I see a lot of people who don't care that their subculture is adopted by someone who... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #292
Someone did start one tonight: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #297
People shouting BIGOT all through this thread need to chill elias7 Jun 2015 #293
Its the framing the questions which is the problem, you don't want honest answers... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #295
Wow, you project a lot elias7 Jun 2015 #458
The OP used offensive language, transphobic language to ask their "question"... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #459
The knowledge you ask for was shared in abundance in this thread. Change has come Jun 2015 #298
Yeah, I see that you missed the memo. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #299
Did you not read through the thread? Change has come Jun 2015 #307
Yes, I find the wording prayin4rain Jun 2015 #316
This should help you understand. lovemydog Jun 2015 #330
This doesn't help me elias7 Jun 2015 #457
Penises don't make you male. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #296
Apparently Aerows Jun 2015 #303
... Kurska Jun 2015 #304
I want to mention Aerows Jun 2015 #306
I totally agree Aerows. lovemydog Jun 2015 #315
The OP has been locked out of the thread. Change has come Jun 2015 #319
The op is one hide short of a vacation. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #386
The vacation has been granted. nt City Lights Jun 2015 #431
Thank you Admins! DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #446
Aerows, at least one of them (the OP) is now Flagged for Review. countryjake Jun 2015 #434
Because the comparison is idiotic lovemydog Jun 2015 #318
I know you can't reply, but you should self delete anyway. This is a horrible and transphobic OP stevenleser Jun 2015 #323
Thing is, Rachel Dolezal protrayed herself as black and akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #324
Unrec! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #327
How unfortunate for DU that an OP this insenstive to a member of the trans community survived an merrily Jun 2015 #329
Plus 1000 n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #359
Thanks. merrily Jun 2015 #360
It's really sad. City Lights Jun 2015 #432
To all who are asking why can't an apple be a truck lovemydog Jun 2015 #333
Great question Omnith Jun 2015 #335
And what IS "transracial?" MrScorpio Jun 2015 #339
Listen up, White Culture is not freaking out! akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #338
wtf Jamastiene Jun 2015 #341
bigots who are excited because they think we cannot see through them Skittles Jun 2015 #348
+1 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #430
If the NAACP was cool with having a white woman identifying as an African American woman merrily Jun 2015 #353
Who said white culture Snow Leopard Jun 2015 #410
My friend used to joke with me.. yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #424
Enjoy your time-out... Spazito Jun 2015 #433
+1 nt Zorra Jun 2015 #436
For anyone who may be wondering...the jury results on that other one... countryjake Jun 2015 #437
I was shocked to see it just barely got enough votes... Spazito Jun 2015 #438
Me too... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #439
I wasn't shocked at all. countryjake Jun 2015 #443
Well said... Spazito Jun 2015 #444
This could truly make people equal, be who you want obliviously Jun 2015 #440
I don't think Jenner ever claimed she wasn't' born with a penis booley Jun 2015 #441
I don't think a non-famous transwoman is under any obligation prayin4rain Jun 2015 #447
How are you still around with all this shit? nt. LexVegas Jun 2015 #449
he is currently out for some shit Skittles Jun 2015 #456
In a 2009 interview she stated "I’m trans-racial" krawhitham Jun 2015 #454
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