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71. The longer version of the video shows that Johnson was crowding into her

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:15 PM

Jul 2015

At this link watch the RAW video: http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Video-Shows-FSU-Quarterback-Punching-Woman-in-Face-311779131.html

Visible at the lower right, the blonde woman had been waiting to get to the bar for at least two minutes. When the other two women get their pitcher and turn away, she started to move up to the bar but Johnson (in the white cap) reached past the women, hooked his hand under the bar and began to force his way past her.

I suspect Johnson's elbow was jabbing the blonde woman in the hip or back since she turned to her right and said something to him. He continued to shove her against the man to her right trying to force his way past her. That is when she turned the other way and held up her fist. She did NOT swing at him, just confronted him. He grabbed her right hand, she tried to pull away, he wouldn't let go and that is when she tried to hit him with her left hand and missed. That is when he punched her in the face.

The full video is much clearer on what happened and that Johnson was the instigator.

Here is a slightly shorter version but with more than is in the OP video:

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looks like the woman punched 1st, then football player punched back harder [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 OP

Both of them had the opportunity to deescalate the situation inwiththenew Jul 2015 #1

He grabbed her first LittleBlue Jul 2015 #2

she makes a fist at him. he grabs her hand and holds it against her. she punches w other hand Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #6

She also kneed him before he hit back. Look again. brush Jul 2015 #76

You can make all the fists you want. The first person to initiate assult is the guilty one TampaAnimusVortex Jul 2015 #86

Nope, that's not the line in the sand CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #90

No. When he grabbed her arm, her "fist" hand was still holding LadyHawkAZ Jul 2015 #124

I'm seeing her fist in the air (no drink) at 0:10, and shortly thereafter he grabs her right arm... yawnmaster Jul 2015 #128

better view in another video. I think he was holding her left arm before she raised her right. eom yawnmaster Jul 2015 #130

Yes, he grabbed her left arm first, LadyHawkAZ Jul 2015 #131

ok. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #134

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too. kcr Jul 2015 #8

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #102

She also kneed him brush Jul 2015 #127

Unnecessary? Some oaf grabs me, I make sure he lets go. Warpy Jul 2015 #18

The guy is clearly an entitled and misogynistic asshole stevenleser Jul 2015 #46

Looks like he was bullying and muscling himself up to the bar and shoving two women. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #3

He had his hands all over her before she swung. Avalux Jul 2015 #4

Thought she held up her right hand as if she is ready to punch the guy Hutzpa Jul 2015 #11

I may be wrong, but looked like he was trying to get to the bar and was shoving her. Avalux Jul 2015 #17

me too. then at about the 11 second mark he seems to choking her Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #19

He was shoving her kcr Jul 2015 #21

There seem to be some kind of exchange before the punch. Hutzpa Jul 2015 #23

Yes. He walks up to her and starts shoving her. kcr Jul 2015 #25

Another classy football player. cwydro Jul 2015 #5

No. I saw a woman at a bar. bravenak Jul 2015 #7

I can't see his right hand. only see the left hand grab her clenched fist Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #10

He should have never been touching her like that at all. bravenak Jul 2015 #14

That's what I saw too. cwydro Jul 2015 #12

Definately. bravenak Jul 2015 #15

That seems like a pretty accurate description. Also, a fairly muted reaction from petronius Jul 2015 #16

They were probably shocked. I know I would be. bravenak Jul 2015 #20

the guy next to her fades away quickly Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #22

That's what it looks like to me, too. DawgHouse Jul 2015 #73

He is obviously shoving his way up into her personal space. She had the right to stand up to him. phleshdef Jul 2015 #9

I would just charge them both with assault, and let the lawyers figgure it out. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #13

Better description of what happened here... stevenleser Jul 2015 #24

ah ok. thanks Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #26

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #27

Well if you have had so many trials Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2015 #30

So the # of trials he's done is somehow connected to underthematrix Jul 2015 #33

It seems to me a lawyer Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2015 #68

great analysis. Could explain the bystander reaction underthematrix Jul 2015 #31

Wait. wTF? Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #39

Very good. Hortensis Jul 2015 #53

I can't understand it. Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #57

she be an op elehhhhna Jul 2015 #54

so much for equality Snow Leopard Jul 2015 #63

That's a false equivalency... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #67

Those are wonderful rules in theory mythology Jul 2015 #106

I see your point. And I'm all... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #118

Why not walk away ? treestar Jul 2015 #119

Because a woman who does not asturias31 Jul 2015 #42

He's clearly making repeated touches on her. joshcryer Jul 2015 #37

Rutting was my best guess. Long ago now, but been a girl at a bar or two myself. Hortensis Jul 2015 #52

That description matches what I see in the longer video csziggy Jul 2015 #87

the guy is disgusting Skittles Jul 2015 #28

He only walks away AFTER he decks her. Then he can't be found in the video. Raster Jul 2015 #62

Agree. He was being a total asshole pushing and grabbing her. Rex Jul 2015 #81

The bystanders who are looking right at what is going on underthematrix Jul 2015 #29

Drunk or not; punk-ass move by Johnson. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #32

wait a minute. there's audio? underthematrix Jul 2015 #34

Loudly and clearly--De'Andre Johnson, "I am a punk." LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #35

He had no business putting his hands on her ornotna Jul 2015 #36

He grabbed her, she tried to push him away, he punched her. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #38

She's standing there with her back to him and he grabs her, turns her around prayin4rain Jul 2015 #40

Can't really see what's happening below the frame. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #97

She bellies up to the bar first, at which point, she's prayin4rain Jul 2015 #100

I'm not saying what he did was right, but she stepped in front of him. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #117

Fuck him, he had no right to grab her and he was being extremely agressive before she swung Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #41

He deserves what he got... TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #43

yes, he throws a hard right into her left cheek/nose/eye socket area GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #79

He apologized... TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #83

She argues with him. He grabs her arm. She punches his shoulder. He punches her face. DetlefK Jul 2015 #44

I think football players should be given special training from 9th grade onward lostnfound Jul 2015 #47

It wouldn't be much different if these were two guys fighting. DetlefK Jul 2015 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author DetlefK Jul 2015 #45

Am I the only one who can't see the lower three-quarters of their interaction? Orrex Jul 2015 #48

What do you mean? DetlefK Jul 2015 #50

That's exactly what I mean. Orrex Jul 2015 #51

Freshman? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #55

Good point...it's 21 everywhere nowadays to drink... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #94

He's 19. n/t JTFrog Jul 2015 #104

It is an 18 and over club/bar. woolldog Jul 2015 #107

It must have been really loud in that bar. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #56

Nope.He was physically pressing on her, she asked him to stop, he grabbed her fist, she struck back on point Jul 2015 #58

That is what I see. Watched this several times from YouTube, full screen, high def. Raster Jul 2015 #61

Since this is Florida State...he must assume this is the way... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #59

He's already been kicked off the team. n/t tammywammy Jul 2015 #75

He's a punk! He is behind her pushing against her and trying to push her out of the way. Raster Jul 2015 #60

On the plus side, maybe he'll get an NFL career Orrex Jul 2015 #65

Unfortunately that does tend to be the NFL life trend. Raster Jul 2015 #74

Looks to me like he physically assaulted her first, MineralMan Jul 2015 #64

He was arrested. former9thward Jul 2015 #98

Ah, OK. MineralMan Jul 2015 #101

It started with him manhandling her. Marr Jul 2015 #66

Florida State dismisses freshman quarterback De'Andre Johnson Baclava Jul 2015 #69

Is it okay for a woman to hit a man? CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #70

Food for thought, but yes he should be charged for assault, after reading your thoughts AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #78

I agree both were intoxicated... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #88

This is the correct legal analysis. woolldog Jul 2015 #105

The longer version of the video shows that Johnson was crowding into her csziggy Jul 2015 #71

thanks for more details Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #84

Unbelievable that anyone is sticking up for him after watching THIS! grossproffit Jul 2015 #85

According to his lawyer she was screaming racial insults at him. former9thward Jul 2015 #99

Nothing in the police report about that. One witness heard her yell "No" twice. Link to report grossproffit Jul 2015 #110

In a noisy bar it is difficult to hear things being said. former9thward Jul 2015 #115

She raised her fist, he grabbed it, she hit him with her other fist, he hit her. rocktivity Jul 2015 #72

There were two women at the bar that moved . . . brush Jul 2015 #82

Yeah, how dare she turn around and say "no" to his repeatedly pushing on and touching her. grossproffit Jul 2015 #126

Guess you've never tried to get to the bar in a crowded club. brush Jul 2015 #129

Why is this even a question? Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #77

Let's assume that... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #89

So he was just standing his ground? Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #91

I am just pointing out the legal rights in such a situation. CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #92

I'll remember next time someone bumps me that I can hit them with an axe. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #93

Nope, sorry.... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #95

He did assault her first. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #96

That's a fairly generous use of the word assault mythology Jul 2015 #103

Deliberate force without consent is the legal use of the word assault. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #109

bumping into someone at a crowded bar is not assault. nt woolldog Jul 2015 #111

Watch the video, the long version. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #113

I've watched the clip numerous times woolldog Jul 2015 #114

Nothing about racial slurs in the incident report. Link inside grossproffit Jul 2015 #112

I have looked at the video yet again CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #120

I have also watched it several times. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #121

Sorry you are mistaken. CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #122

Nope. You are. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #123

Links to Legal Definitions of Assault CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #125

Link to definition of a punk. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #132

I cocktailed in bars for many years. bunnies Jul 2015 #80

No, she held her fist up and said something. Then he decked her. Klassy guy. nt valerief Jul 2015 #108

He should be in jail. He instigated the whole thing. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #116

Bs. He is pushing up against her, she turns to tell him to stop he grabs her first on point Jul 2015 #133