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133. Bs. He is pushing up against her, she turns to tell him to stop he grabs her first

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Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:01 AM

Jul 2015

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looks like the woman punched 1st, then football player punched back harder [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 OP

Both of them had the opportunity to deescalate the situation inwiththenew Jul 2015 #1

He grabbed her first LittleBlue Jul 2015 #2

she makes a fist at him. he grabs her hand and holds it against her. she punches w other hand Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #6

She also kneed him before he hit back. Look again. brush Jul 2015 #76

You can make all the fists you want. The first person to initiate assult is the guilty one TampaAnimusVortex Jul 2015 #86

Nope, that's not the line in the sand CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #90

No. When he grabbed her arm, her "fist" hand was still holding LadyHawkAZ Jul 2015 #124

I'm seeing her fist in the air (no drink) at 0:10, and shortly thereafter he grabs her right arm... yawnmaster Jul 2015 #128

better view in another video. I think he was holding her left arm before she raised her right. eom yawnmaster Jul 2015 #130

Yes, he grabbed her left arm first, LadyHawkAZ Jul 2015 #131

ok. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #134

Yes, that's what it looks like to me, too. kcr Jul 2015 #8

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #102

She also kneed him brush Jul 2015 #127

Unnecessary? Some oaf grabs me, I make sure he lets go. Warpy Jul 2015 #18

The guy is clearly an entitled and misogynistic asshole stevenleser Jul 2015 #46

Looks like he was bullying and muscling himself up to the bar and shoving two women. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #3

He had his hands all over her before she swung. Avalux Jul 2015 #4

Thought she held up her right hand as if she is ready to punch the guy Hutzpa Jul 2015 #11

I may be wrong, but looked like he was trying to get to the bar and was shoving her. Avalux Jul 2015 #17

me too. then at about the 11 second mark he seems to choking her Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #19

He was shoving her kcr Jul 2015 #21

There seem to be some kind of exchange before the punch. Hutzpa Jul 2015 #23

Yes. He walks up to her and starts shoving her. kcr Jul 2015 #25

Another classy football player. cwydro Jul 2015 #5

No. I saw a woman at a bar. bravenak Jul 2015 #7

I can't see his right hand. only see the left hand grab her clenched fist Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #10

He should have never been touching her like that at all. bravenak Jul 2015 #14

That's what I saw too. cwydro Jul 2015 #12

Definately. bravenak Jul 2015 #15

That seems like a pretty accurate description. Also, a fairly muted reaction from petronius Jul 2015 #16

They were probably shocked. I know I would be. bravenak Jul 2015 #20

the guy next to her fades away quickly Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #22

That's what it looks like to me, too. DawgHouse Jul 2015 #73

He is obviously shoving his way up into her personal space. She had the right to stand up to him. phleshdef Jul 2015 #9

I would just charge them both with assault, and let the lawyers figgure it out. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #13

Better description of what happened here... stevenleser Jul 2015 #24

ah ok. thanks Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #26

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #27

Well if you have had so many trials Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2015 #30

So the # of trials he's done is somehow connected to underthematrix Jul 2015 #33

It seems to me a lawyer Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2015 #68

great analysis. Could explain the bystander reaction underthematrix Jul 2015 #31

Wait. wTF? Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #39

Very good. Hortensis Jul 2015 #53

I can't understand it. Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #57

she be an op elehhhhna Jul 2015 #54

so much for equality Snow Leopard Jul 2015 #63

That's a false equivalency... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #67

Those are wonderful rules in theory mythology Jul 2015 #106

I see your point. And I'm all... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #118

Why not walk away ? treestar Jul 2015 #119

Because a woman who does not asturias31 Jul 2015 #42

He's clearly making repeated touches on her. joshcryer Jul 2015 #37

Rutting was my best guess. Long ago now, but been a girl at a bar or two myself. Hortensis Jul 2015 #52

That description matches what I see in the longer video csziggy Jul 2015 #87

the guy is disgusting Skittles Jul 2015 #28

He only walks away AFTER he decks her. Then he can't be found in the video. Raster Jul 2015 #62

Agree. He was being a total asshole pushing and grabbing her. Rex Jul 2015 #81

The bystanders who are looking right at what is going on underthematrix Jul 2015 #29

Drunk or not; punk-ass move by Johnson. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #32

wait a minute. there's audio? underthematrix Jul 2015 #34

Loudly and clearly--De'Andre Johnson, "I am a punk." LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #35

He had no business putting his hands on her ornotna Jul 2015 #36

He grabbed her, she tried to push him away, he punched her. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #38

She's standing there with her back to him and he grabs her, turns her around prayin4rain Jul 2015 #40

Can't really see what's happening below the frame. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #97

She bellies up to the bar first, at which point, she's prayin4rain Jul 2015 #100

I'm not saying what he did was right, but she stepped in front of him. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #117

Fuck him, he had no right to grab her and he was being extremely agressive before she swung Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #41

He deserves what he got... TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #43

yes, he throws a hard right into her left cheek/nose/eye socket area GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #79

He apologized... TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #83

She argues with him. He grabs her arm. She punches his shoulder. He punches her face. DetlefK Jul 2015 #44

I think football players should be given special training from 9th grade onward lostnfound Jul 2015 #47

It wouldn't be much different if these were two guys fighting. DetlefK Jul 2015 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author DetlefK Jul 2015 #45

Am I the only one who can't see the lower three-quarters of their interaction? Orrex Jul 2015 #48

What do you mean? DetlefK Jul 2015 #50

That's exactly what I mean. Orrex Jul 2015 #51

Freshman? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #55

Good point...it's 21 everywhere nowadays to drink... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #94

He's 19. n/t JTFrog Jul 2015 #104

It is an 18 and over club/bar. woolldog Jul 2015 #107

It must have been really loud in that bar. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #56

Nope.He was physically pressing on her, she asked him to stop, he grabbed her fist, she struck back on point Jul 2015 #58

That is what I see. Watched this several times from YouTube, full screen, high def. Raster Jul 2015 #61

Since this is Florida State...he must assume this is the way... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #59

He's already been kicked off the team. n/t tammywammy Jul 2015 #75

He's a punk! He is behind her pushing against her and trying to push her out of the way. Raster Jul 2015 #60

On the plus side, maybe he'll get an NFL career Orrex Jul 2015 #65

Unfortunately that does tend to be the NFL life trend. Raster Jul 2015 #74

Looks to me like he physically assaulted her first, MineralMan Jul 2015 #64

He was arrested. former9thward Jul 2015 #98

Ah, OK. MineralMan Jul 2015 #101

It started with him manhandling her. Marr Jul 2015 #66

Florida State dismisses freshman quarterback De'Andre Johnson Baclava Jul 2015 #69

Is it okay for a woman to hit a man? CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #70

Food for thought, but yes he should be charged for assault, after reading your thoughts AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #78

I agree both were intoxicated... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #88

This is the correct legal analysis. woolldog Jul 2015 #105

The longer version of the video shows that Johnson was crowding into her csziggy Jul 2015 #71

thanks for more details Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #84

Unbelievable that anyone is sticking up for him after watching THIS! grossproffit Jul 2015 #85

According to his lawyer she was screaming racial insults at him. former9thward Jul 2015 #99

Nothing in the police report about that. One witness heard her yell "No" twice. Link to report grossproffit Jul 2015 #110

In a noisy bar it is difficult to hear things being said. former9thward Jul 2015 #115

She raised her fist, he grabbed it, she hit him with her other fist, he hit her. rocktivity Jul 2015 #72

There were two women at the bar that moved . . . brush Jul 2015 #82

Yeah, how dare she turn around and say "no" to his repeatedly pushing on and touching her. grossproffit Jul 2015 #126

Guess you've never tried to get to the bar in a crowded club. brush Jul 2015 #129

Why is this even a question? Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #77

Let's assume that... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #89

So he was just standing his ground? Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #91

I am just pointing out the legal rights in such a situation. CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #92

I'll remember next time someone bumps me that I can hit them with an axe. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #93

Nope, sorry.... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #95

He did assault her first. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #96

That's a fairly generous use of the word assault mythology Jul 2015 #103

Deliberate force without consent is the legal use of the word assault. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #109

bumping into someone at a crowded bar is not assault. nt woolldog Jul 2015 #111

Watch the video, the long version. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #113

I've watched the clip numerous times woolldog Jul 2015 #114

Nothing about racial slurs in the incident report. Link inside grossproffit Jul 2015 #112

I have looked at the video yet again CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #120

I have also watched it several times. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #121

Sorry you are mistaken. CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #122

Nope. You are. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #123

Links to Legal Definitions of Assault CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #125

Link to definition of a punk. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #132

I cocktailed in bars for many years. bunnies Jul 2015 #80

No, she held her fist up and said something. Then he decked her. Klassy guy. nt valerief Jul 2015 #108

He should be in jail. He instigated the whole thing. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #116

Bs. He is pushing up against her, she turns to tell him to stop he grabs her first on point Jul 2015 #133