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Yorktown

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32. The decadence of the Muslim world started before the USA even existed
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:04 PM
Dec 2015

Mostly because the Islamic faith has a much stronger grip on society than Christianity had.

Even by the end of the Middle Ages, the contestation of the Church was active in Europe in ways much greater than anything existing today in the Muslim world. It flourished during the Enlightenment, and Hume or Voltaire have no equivalent in the Muslim world today (where you still have religious figures arguing the earth is flat because the Quran says so).

As a consequence, the Muslim GDP/head which was superior to the western GDP per head in the year 1000 reached parity circa 1300 and was left way behind by 1500-1600.
Nothing to do with the USA, all to do with the economy and religion.


Edit: on another point you make, you greatly underestimate the historical Muslim internal strife
Just look at the history of Muslim rule in Spain as an extreme example. On a greater scale, the caliphal succession wars. Or the Shia/Sunni conflicts in History.

It could be Kalidurga Dec 2015 #1
Right now we are not in a major leadership role on the war overseas yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #2
We still have too many bases Kalidurga Dec 2015 #5
During the Iran-Iraq War, the Reagan-Bush Admin. was open leveymg Dec 2015 #3
The 4M figure is pure crap Yorktown Dec 2015 #4
Really now malaise Dec 2015 #6
If I sell a gun to someone who ends up using it, am I a murderer? Yorktown Dec 2015 #7
Murderer? Some here say yes. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #13
Well, these folks are extreme. Yorktown Dec 2015 #14
Only some. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #17
Back to your original point to me Yorktown Dec 2015 #18
I am a non-murderous gun owner. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #24
The US deliberately seeks out and arms the worst elements in the Middle East. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #25
It is arrogance to believe everyone is a puppet of the malefic USA empire Yorktown Dec 2015 #30
Saudi Arabia is one of the villains in this equation. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #31
The decadence of the Muslim world started before the USA even existed Yorktown Dec 2015 #32
No, 'genocide' involves intention and agency muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #9
Well credible sources suggest that over one million malaise Dec 2015 #10
mostly by, as I said, other Muslims muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #12
Hear, hear. Yorktown Dec 2015 #15
Where did Saddam get that gas? The West provided it so Iraq could gas Iranians. leveymg Dec 2015 #22
It would be interesting to see how much Muslims were killed due to the policies of the Assad, still_one Dec 2015 #27
Add to that the 1 to 1.5 million Afghans killed during the Soviet invasion and occupation. n/t pampango Dec 2015 #8
Sure we should. Absolutely. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #11
What does the term Genocide refer to? I thought it was a deliberate attempt to eradicate a el_bryanto Dec 2015 #16
Genocidal activities include arming and assisting ethnic groups trying to wipe out rival ethnics. leveymg Dec 2015 #23
If it was genocide, we'd have finished the job in a month. randome Dec 2015 #19
No. kiva Dec 2015 #20
For oil. Octafish Dec 2015 #21
No Marrah_G Dec 2015 #26
Muslims don't need the West to kill each other. Throd Dec 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #29
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