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In reply to the discussion: Here's why 52% of British voted to leave [View all]Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)142. Is it too PC of me to ask you to back up that claim with some evidence?
Y'know, the claim you've made several times in this thread that migrants get preference over everyone else when it comes to public housing. Have you got links to anything supporting that claim? It's just that I've had a look at eligibility requirements and it's very similar to where I live. Housing is allocated on a needs basis, and being a migrant isn't on the list.
http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/social_housing/applying_for_social_housing/who_gets_priority
Also, here's an article I found about the housing crisis and the attempts to blame it on migrants. It reminds me of the stupid 'they're stealing our jobs!' crap that the RW anti-migrant types here used to blurt out about Asian migrants...
Is immigration causing the UK housing crisis?
Migrants arent jumping queues for social housing, and in some places immigration actually lowers housing demand
In a speech in December 2012, Theresa May claimed that more than a third of all new housing demand in Britain was caused by immigration. And there is evidence that without the demand caused by mass immigration, house prices could be 10% lower over a 20-year period, she said. The statement mirrors a common trope in any debate on the housing crisis: the idea that it is caused by mass migration, and that without migration, Britain would have no need for more housing.
The London School of Economics report that May cited as the source for her claim also says: In the early years even better off migrants tend to form fewer households as compared to the indigenous population; to live disproportionately in private renting; and to live at higher densities. However, the longer they stay, the more their housing consumption resembles that of similar indigenous households.
This, in part, debunks the idea that immigration is the biggest strain on housing new arrivals tend to live in denser households and take up less space.
Few migrants live in social housing
Migrants are more likely to rent in the private sector, as opposed to buying homes or living in social housing. According to the Oxford Migration Observatory, 74% of recent migrants (those who have been in the UK for five years or less) were in the private rented sector in the first quarter of 2015: they are twice as likely to be renters compared with the total migrant population; 39% of the total foreign-born population were in the private rented sector, and just 14% of the UK-born population.
Despite this, there is a high perception among white Britons that migrants receive positive discrimination when it comes to social housing. A 2014 LSE discussion paper points out: The level of discrimination perceived by white Britons in social housing is higher than that perceived by any other group in social housing. And the only other ethnic groups reporting higher levels of perceived discrimination with any part of the state is the black community with the police, criminal justice and immigration authorities, a relationship that we know to be very troubled.
One Daily Mail headline from 2012, which has now been amended, once read: Revealed: How HALF of all social housing in England goes to people born abroad. The actual figure at the time was 8.6%: it now stands at 9%. Around 91% [pdf] of all new social tenancies are taken up by UK-born citizens.
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis
Migrants arent jumping queues for social housing, and in some places immigration actually lowers housing demand
In a speech in December 2012, Theresa May claimed that more than a third of all new housing demand in Britain was caused by immigration. And there is evidence that without the demand caused by mass immigration, house prices could be 10% lower over a 20-year period, she said. The statement mirrors a common trope in any debate on the housing crisis: the idea that it is caused by mass migration, and that without migration, Britain would have no need for more housing.
The London School of Economics report that May cited as the source for her claim also says: In the early years even better off migrants tend to form fewer households as compared to the indigenous population; to live disproportionately in private renting; and to live at higher densities. However, the longer they stay, the more their housing consumption resembles that of similar indigenous households.
This, in part, debunks the idea that immigration is the biggest strain on housing new arrivals tend to live in denser households and take up less space.
Few migrants live in social housing
Migrants are more likely to rent in the private sector, as opposed to buying homes or living in social housing. According to the Oxford Migration Observatory, 74% of recent migrants (those who have been in the UK for five years or less) were in the private rented sector in the first quarter of 2015: they are twice as likely to be renters compared with the total migrant population; 39% of the total foreign-born population were in the private rented sector, and just 14% of the UK-born population.
Despite this, there is a high perception among white Britons that migrants receive positive discrimination when it comes to social housing. A 2014 LSE discussion paper points out: The level of discrimination perceived by white Britons in social housing is higher than that perceived by any other group in social housing. And the only other ethnic groups reporting higher levels of perceived discrimination with any part of the state is the black community with the police, criminal justice and immigration authorities, a relationship that we know to be very troubled.
One Daily Mail headline from 2012, which has now been amended, once read: Revealed: How HALF of all social housing in England goes to people born abroad. The actual figure at the time was 8.6%: it now stands at 9%. Around 91% [pdf] of all new social tenancies are taken up by UK-born citizens.
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis
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Is it too PC of me to ask you to back up that claim with some evidence?
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That's usually cover for human tribalism, I don't see an issue with that if there's no critical mass
uponit7771
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I'm talking about the immigration unfairness outlined in your response... not the Brexit vote
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It wasn't this way BEFORE "immigrants"? tia... I remember when I lived in Europe UK housing was....
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You have any evidence that the expensive housing was caused by immigrants? tia
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#126
Semantics, they stoked human tribalism to get the leave vote... who cares the shade of skin and
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"EU migrants are almost all white"... was not a counter to the point involving PoC? tia
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