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Wounded Bear

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19. No, Ohio doesn't "decide" the election...
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 10:48 PM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sat Oct 22, 2016, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)

just because the Repubs never win without it doesn't mean that the Dems can't win without it.

If you look at the Bush campaigns, both of them, they engineered it and bit sliced the demographics so that they came down to the one state that cycle that determined the outcome, FL in '00 and OH in '04. It was a different time, and for all of the rhetoric, the division that exists now is nowhere close to what it was then.

The blue wall, or the Kerry wall, or whatever you want to call it means that Repubs basically need to win every single one of the 'battleground' states to win a general election, and the Dems basically need only a couple of them. That is for this cycle, of course, but the trend has been going this way for a while. Trump has accelerated it.

Would love to win Ohio because I really want to win 478 to 0, but realistically, it doesn't bother me much if it goes red.

Don't freak out Jason1961 Oct 2016 #1
I agree we very likely have this election won, it's the future I am worried about. Quixote1818 Oct 2016 #3
Not if we win Georgia and Texas! EL34x4 Oct 2016 #14
hmmm..Benchmark has Hillary up by 4.7 in Ohio misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #2
All polls combined have Trump ahead there Quixote1818 Oct 2016 #4
I'll go with Benchmark. Their polling method is the most precise & detailed I see. misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #6
No, Ohio doesn't "decide" the election... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #19
Ohio has been a republican state for many years, since the days of Jim Beard Oct 2016 #54
You mean that Ohio whatthehey Oct 2016 #5
Romney / McCain supported those deals too. Trump is leading there because he is hammering NAFTA. Quixote1818 Oct 2016 #7
It's easy to hammer NAFTA. Difficult to create an alternative. yardwork Oct 2016 #11
And Romney/McCain weren't sex abusing hapless political neophytes either whatthehey Oct 2016 #15
Nafta is at worse Neutral, so we should run policy on perception of harm, not real harm? Foggyhill Oct 2016 #37
Bush 1 supported NAFTA, in fact his admin started it Motley13 Oct 2016 #53
I supported it at the time of Bush too. I live in Texas so my opinion is more from being more concer Jim Beard Oct 2016 #55
Fortunately, this election doesn't depend on how Ohio votes. stopbush Oct 2016 #8
Reagan destroyed Ohio. liberalmuse Oct 2016 #9
The fact that Hillary is winning nationally might imply something else. yardwork Oct 2016 #10
Thank you. And... NurseJackie Oct 2016 #16
Some of our little friends are sneaking back. yardwork Oct 2016 #17
oh really? trump selling out american jobs and buying china steel is ok with Ohio residents? nt msongs Oct 2016 #12
Built a damn hotel in Vegas with that crap. Will probably cave in on peoples' heads with age. lonestarnot Oct 2016 #13
Nobody is defending Trump here. What we're saying is that the line he takes on trade Ken Burch Oct 2016 #21
No. Glassunion Oct 2016 #48
To make such an odd point requires a little revelant information postatomic Oct 2016 #18
If our platform had said "NO TPP", We'd be doing better now than in '64. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #20
You're overestimating voters' intelligence ... NurseJackie Oct 2016 #22
Amen! KitSileya Oct 2016 #24
Well said Egnever Oct 2016 #42
Yup ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #45
Actually, it's a big red flag that Ohio voters aren't paying attention. Vinca Oct 2016 #23
Brainwashed Bear Creek Oct 2016 #25
Actually, it's a big red flag that Ohio voters aren't paying attention. LenaBaby61 Oct 2016 #46
Many of the people I've seen interviewed sound totally batsh*t crazy. Like that guy. Vinca Oct 2016 #49
That sounds like alot of the people in my part of NW Ohio. bulloney Oct 2016 #60
Ohio is always close EricMaundry Oct 2016 #26
I don't like the realignment on free trade either Peaches999 Oct 2016 #27
Before you predict future Democratic losses, Cary Oct 2016 #32
Elections ebb and flow Peaches999 Oct 2016 #36
This is different Cary Oct 2016 #39
I'm not convinced Hillary will have large coattails Peaches999 Oct 2016 #40
The demographics have changed Cary Oct 2016 #41
They don't like the trade deals... apcalc Oct 2016 #28
Ugh is right Cary Oct 2016 #30
Demographics Cary Oct 2016 #29
Fleshing this out a bit...rural Ohio is very conservative Maeve Oct 2016 #56
The only constant is change Cary Oct 2016 #57
The polls I have seen show OH is split 50-50. LisaL Oct 2016 #31
this Ohioan believes Hillary will win Ohio rbrnmw Oct 2016 #33
I agree its not the time to give up on winning OH. LisaL Oct 2016 #34
historically, Ohio has tended towards close elections, IAW 270towin 538 has clinton 61.38% to win Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #35
Nafta is at worse Neutral, so we should run policy on perception of harm, not real harm? Foggyhill Oct 2016 #38
Agreed Egnever Oct 2016 #43
Create a boogeyman out of a trade deal then keep scaring people with it. At the same time pampango Oct 2016 #44
It's bait and switch, now that trickle down has blown up their people, they need a new scapegoat Foggyhill Oct 2016 #47
The takeaway should be that we'll need to fight hard to the end Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2016 #50
Agree pedal to the metal up to and including Nov 8! apcalc Oct 2016 #52
The Republicans might run a pro-free trader next time. David__77 Oct 2016 #51
How do they address this alt right thing? Cary Oct 2016 #58
The Republicans will split after the election Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2016 #62
The Democrats are three steps behind them? Cary Oct 2016 #64
they support Kasich and Obama is more pro free trade than Clinton JI7 Oct 2016 #59
Fucking amazing....6 months ago most on DU were totally against TPP. Now everyone wants it? davidn3600 Oct 2016 #61
Why progressives should rescue the TPP trade deal Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #63
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