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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
50. The takeaway should be that we'll need to fight hard to the end
Sun Oct 23, 2016, 03:52 PM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sun Oct 23, 2016, 05:12 PM - Edit history (2)

Stop buying this "Hillary has it in the bag"nonsense. It's crap. Unless we keep our foot on the throttle and keep Trump on defense, we can still lose this.

Blue collar whites are angry and terrified. It's not just kind or trade deals, but a nation they feel that they built, and where they no longer feel valued or respected. Ohio is close enough to West Virginia to relate to coal miners recoiling at the push for clean energy, and has felt perhaps more than their fair share of the meth and heroin crisis, and see the simplistic motion of closed borders with Mexico solving that.

It's easier for them to accept that the election is rigged than to accept that every person of color and a majority of those with college educations will vote for a woman whom they despise.

We have to continue to sell the notion that a vote for Hillary is a vote for a human decency Trump lacks, and to make the case that the white working class can be a very productive part of a changing America. We need to convey that change is here and Trump's promises of American renewal are hollow.

Don't freak out Jason1961 Oct 2016 #1
I agree we very likely have this election won, it's the future I am worried about. Quixote1818 Oct 2016 #3
Not if we win Georgia and Texas! EL34x4 Oct 2016 #14
hmmm..Benchmark has Hillary up by 4.7 in Ohio misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #2
All polls combined have Trump ahead there Quixote1818 Oct 2016 #4
I'll go with Benchmark. Their polling method is the most precise & detailed I see. misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #6
No, Ohio doesn't "decide" the election... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #19
Ohio has been a republican state for many years, since the days of Jim Beard Oct 2016 #54
You mean that Ohio whatthehey Oct 2016 #5
Romney / McCain supported those deals too. Trump is leading there because he is hammering NAFTA. Quixote1818 Oct 2016 #7
It's easy to hammer NAFTA. Difficult to create an alternative. yardwork Oct 2016 #11
And Romney/McCain weren't sex abusing hapless political neophytes either whatthehey Oct 2016 #15
Nafta is at worse Neutral, so we should run policy on perception of harm, not real harm? Foggyhill Oct 2016 #37
Bush 1 supported NAFTA, in fact his admin started it Motley13 Oct 2016 #53
I supported it at the time of Bush too. I live in Texas so my opinion is more from being more concer Jim Beard Oct 2016 #55
Fortunately, this election doesn't depend on how Ohio votes. stopbush Oct 2016 #8
Reagan destroyed Ohio. liberalmuse Oct 2016 #9
The fact that Hillary is winning nationally might imply something else. yardwork Oct 2016 #10
Thank you. And... NurseJackie Oct 2016 #16
Some of our little friends are sneaking back. yardwork Oct 2016 #17
oh really? trump selling out american jobs and buying china steel is ok with Ohio residents? nt msongs Oct 2016 #12
Built a damn hotel in Vegas with that crap. Will probably cave in on peoples' heads with age. lonestarnot Oct 2016 #13
Nobody is defending Trump here. What we're saying is that the line he takes on trade Ken Burch Oct 2016 #21
No. Glassunion Oct 2016 #48
To make such an odd point requires a little revelant information postatomic Oct 2016 #18
If our platform had said "NO TPP", We'd be doing better now than in '64. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #20
You're overestimating voters' intelligence ... NurseJackie Oct 2016 #22
Amen! KitSileya Oct 2016 #24
Well said Egnever Oct 2016 #42
Yup ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #45
Actually, it's a big red flag that Ohio voters aren't paying attention. Vinca Oct 2016 #23
Brainwashed Bear Creek Oct 2016 #25
Actually, it's a big red flag that Ohio voters aren't paying attention. LenaBaby61 Oct 2016 #46
Many of the people I've seen interviewed sound totally batsh*t crazy. Like that guy. Vinca Oct 2016 #49
That sounds like alot of the people in my part of NW Ohio. bulloney Oct 2016 #60
Ohio is always close EricMaundry Oct 2016 #26
I don't like the realignment on free trade either Peaches999 Oct 2016 #27
Before you predict future Democratic losses, Cary Oct 2016 #32
Elections ebb and flow Peaches999 Oct 2016 #36
This is different Cary Oct 2016 #39
I'm not convinced Hillary will have large coattails Peaches999 Oct 2016 #40
The demographics have changed Cary Oct 2016 #41
They don't like the trade deals... apcalc Oct 2016 #28
Ugh is right Cary Oct 2016 #30
Demographics Cary Oct 2016 #29
Fleshing this out a bit...rural Ohio is very conservative Maeve Oct 2016 #56
The only constant is change Cary Oct 2016 #57
The polls I have seen show OH is split 50-50. LisaL Oct 2016 #31
this Ohioan believes Hillary will win Ohio rbrnmw Oct 2016 #33
I agree its not the time to give up on winning OH. LisaL Oct 2016 #34
historically, Ohio has tended towards close elections, IAW 270towin 538 has clinton 61.38% to win Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #35
Nafta is at worse Neutral, so we should run policy on perception of harm, not real harm? Foggyhill Oct 2016 #38
Agreed Egnever Oct 2016 #43
Create a boogeyman out of a trade deal then keep scaring people with it. At the same time pampango Oct 2016 #44
It's bait and switch, now that trickle down has blown up their people, they need a new scapegoat Foggyhill Oct 2016 #47
The takeaway should be that we'll need to fight hard to the end Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2016 #50
Agree pedal to the metal up to and including Nov 8! apcalc Oct 2016 #52
The Republicans might run a pro-free trader next time. David__77 Oct 2016 #51
How do they address this alt right thing? Cary Oct 2016 #58
The Republicans will split after the election Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2016 #62
The Democrats are three steps behind them? Cary Oct 2016 #64
they support Kasich and Obama is more pro free trade than Clinton JI7 Oct 2016 #59
Fucking amazing....6 months ago most on DU were totally against TPP. Now everyone wants it? davidn3600 Oct 2016 #61
Why progressives should rescue the TPP trade deal Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #63
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