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75. not a good idea

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:10 PM

Dec 2016

Given the fact that the reds make up the majority of the gun owners I think the blues would be seriously outgunned. Also most of the military people I know would side with the reds. I think you would see wide spread desertion from the military and law enforcement ranks and these people going to support the reds. I think for either of us to make a move to succeed would be stupid. Look at a geographical election map. Most of the country is red geographically. It is mostly the big cities that and densely populated states that are blue. The red states (with the exception of my home state of California) grow most of the food and fiber crops. We would find a situation where the red states control most of the agricultural production. Also, how would we handle being split up? Most of the blue states are on the two coasts and would be split by a belt of red. So... red states have most of the guns/more red gun owners, .mil types tend to support red, most ag production would be red, and a couple thousand miles of red between the blue states = I do not think it would be a good idea so I would try to stop it before it went to a war.

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Would you personally be willing to take up arms to prevent red states from seceding? [View all] TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 OP

they're our fellow americans and they're caught in the grip of a horrid disease. unblock Dec 2016 #1

How would it destroy us all? lunatica Dec 2016 #53

See post 57. They don't vanish. unblock Dec 2016 #58

Let em go.. Abouttime Dec 2016 #54

They've got food, oil, guns, and a sense of entitlement. unblock Dec 2016 #57

they'll quickly fall into a dystopia lunatica Dec 2016 #62

they wouldn't ask. they'd take. or extort. unblock Dec 2016 #63

So we build a wall lunatica Dec 2016 #64

we'd need a lot more if things turn ugly. unblock Dec 2016 #65

that is true, but i wouldn't underestimate the resources and resolve of the blue staters, plus, depe TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #71

that's a possibility, they might use (blue) secessation as an excuse to wage all-out war and/or esta TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #70

Remenber the angst when ONE pipeline from Texas want down? oneshooter Dec 2016 #72

but they have to take Trump with them Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #2

This! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #52

I would hold car washes to pay for their leaving./nt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #3

I support their peacefully seceding and then patiently wait for them to come groveling back eleny Dec 2016 #4

i think there is plenty of truth in that; they would become a 3rd world country, with the super-rich TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #18

I'll repeat what I said in another thread... eleny Dec 2016 #24

You just described the last 20 years in most of the red states bigbrother05 Dec 2016 #60

Putin's favorite word: secession! Anything that keeps other on their toes!! He eats it up/ Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #5

OTHER: Ask me in about 6 months.... I'm not too good right now on that answer uponit7771 Dec 2016 #6

Of course not. I'd be happy to pack their bags for them. Vinca Dec 2016 #7

i'm with you. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #17

Rather a moot point doncha think? TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #8

yes, right now, but i am testing the hypothesis that reds would go to war to stop US from seceding. TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #16

Nah. Just negotiate a peaceful divorce. Tell them to imagine a country without liberals. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #76

Other: Let them go peacefully, and THEN build the fucking wall. pnwest Dec 2016 #9

This! n/t Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #10

agreed; i think after a few generations when they see what a 3rd world country they're TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #15

Well it seems heaven05 Dec 2016 #11

the country's been on that edge for along time, but it seems like the will of the majority is now be TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #22

Let them go and then Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #12

I would let them leave peacefully MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #13

I'd be happy be happy to see them go. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #14

true; would be nice if canada could combine with the west coast and the north eastern states. TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #20

Quebec would have none of it. Ellen Forradalom Dec 2016 #32

i am encouraged by the responses, but of course since the reds are more war-loving, they would TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #19

I thought the blue states were wanting to split now. ileus Dec 2016 #21

i'm just trying to get an idea of how many people would be willing to fight to stop any state from s TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #27

I'd be partying my ******* *** off. briv1016 Dec 2016 #23

there would no doubt be some migration both ways, but it could be done peacefully. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #28

This can be negotiated. Free to move about for 2 years. Then each country Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #78

The last time states seceded Retrograde Dec 2016 #25

good riddance. raging moderate Dec 2016 #26

It's a ridiculous idea. If some think jobs, wages, Social Security, health care, etc., aren't good Hoyt Dec 2016 #29

Buzzkill. LOL! Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #79

Totally red states? radical noodle Dec 2016 #30

Hey, let 'em pipi_k Dec 2016 #31

I object to this topic being raised in GD. Fantasies about civil war in America -- no thanks. Hekate Dec 2016 #33

please, there is no "fantasy of civil war;" and the poll results support my sense that most people TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #40

Let them go... please. Watch them tank while blue states prosper. kysrsoze Dec 2016 #34

Republicans have already created a new country Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #35

agreed; the US is many times the size it was originally; i think that break up is inevitable, TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #42

Why would they want to leave? They own everything. Wednesdays Dec 2016 #36

i am just trying to get a sense of whether people here would be willing to fight to stop a red TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #41

Yes, the reds have it all (temporarily) Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #45

I'd take up arms to make sure they didn't change their mind and try to stay. nt Nay Dec 2016 #37

heh heh. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #67

States change over time. Kaleva Dec 2016 #38

OTHER: Better them than us! RealityChik Dec 2016 #39

You forgot the option "Hell no." nt raccoon Dec 2016 #43

The deep red states could never make it as individual entities. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #44

It won't be repeat of the Civil War because it simply will not happen LanternWaste Dec 2016 #46

Won't happen. They're too tied economically to the blue sections within their own states. haele Dec 2016 #47

They've already seceded and now they are irrelevant; trapped in a stagnant 20th century fantasy. hunter Dec 2016 #48

They'd just ally with Russia and we'd have a proxy war. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #49

i'm not sure russia actually supports repugs, or just sees them as the weak link to sew division TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #85

Well, first of all I would have to move (please don't bomb me) to a blue state Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #50

Other. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #51

word. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #68

How would they be able to proove how they voted? n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #73

Just ask them ... BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #74

Let them go and prepare to watch (from a distance) a real life 'Lord of the Flies'. Siwsan Dec 2016 #55

i think that's exactly what would happen, and they wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #69

Given one would be the nuclear power and one would not HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #56

insane, but nuking your neighbors could have some "blowback," literally and figuratively. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #83

I wish we were like MFM008 Dec 2016 #59

I would personally be willing to pay them to get them to go. OregonBlue Dec 2016 #61

I would say bravenak Dec 2016 #66

not a good idea RANGER295 Dec 2016 #75

there are definitely some obstacles IF they were decide to go to war, but 1. i'm not sure if they TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #81

In my experience, most of these "reds" .... Adrahil Dec 2016 #87

And I'd move out. I have my WhiteTara Dec 2016 #77

Hummm. Could be a couple of up sides for SE Arizona. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2016 #80

I would sacrifice my actual (anatatomical) arms Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #82

heh heh, yeah, i'm torn on whether the repugs would have the same reaction, or whether they would TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #84

If the demands of the seceding state are reasonable... why would we not negotiate? n/t eniwetok Dec 2016 #86

i absolutely agree; i think people are so afraid of another Civil War, they won't even consider the TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #93

I'd hold the door open as they leave. BainsBane Dec 2016 #88

+1000 baldguy Dec 2016 #90

Blue states are the money-makers; most Red states are parasites. VOX Dec 2016 #89

hey, one southerner can lick 10 Yankees!! haha; that's what they thought, but yeah, they need us TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #94

Personally, I think secession is stupid talk... cynatnite Dec 2016 #91

i'm not saying there wouldn't be complications, but i think they would be surmountable; in any case TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #92

Secession is still stupid talk... cynatnite Dec 2016 #95

there is an easy way to answer this question DonCoquixote Apr 2017 #96