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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
108. We eeked out a small majority that we couldn't hold. And that is literally for 2 years.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:19 PM
Feb 2017

Since 1996 that is the only time we've controlled congress and the Senate. Even if you want to blame the green party for W, which I think is erroneous, that doesn't account for the rest of our attrition in governorships and state seats.

I have no illusions about whether more progressive candidates are likely to win, especially when they are isolated and not fully supported in their message by the party. I don't suggest that that road is pretty, or guaranteed victory. I'm saying trying to be friendly or conciliatory with corporations is why we've had the attrition we've had. This is the perfect world for corporate interests. This is why they put money into the Democrats and the Republicans. So that their friends are the ones who win the primaries. And you literally just said in another thread that the funders hold sway over the message. You were talking about media, but I know you aren't going to try to separate politicians out from that behavior. So you must know then, it is a problem when we take money. You might think that it wins us elections and that there is no choice, but the proof is it barely does. It props us up as party number two. The opposition party, that occasionally gets two years to try to right the course, with its hands tied behind its back. And then, back to crazy town.

I know, we won the popular vote, but only for President. And the corporate media didn't lift a finger to do anything but to legitimize this man's presidency. These are the corporations we think we can be friendly with...that we can make promises to and they will have our backs. We mistake their donations as them seeing reason. What they see is a need to perpetuate a sense of democracy. What they see is a need to have a minority party that should it gain power for a few years, doesn't go all crazy on them.

Again, if we stop taking big money as a party, I don't know what that does to us. But if that choice meant we never won another election it would only prove that our system is already wholly and irrevocably fucked. We may as well know.
I know - can't we win back state legislatures NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #1
I ALWAYS look to where leftynyc Feb 2017 #2
Don't trust Cenk. JaneQPublic Feb 2017 #3
I agree workinclasszero Feb 2017 #4
Agree BainsBane Feb 2017 #12
That's right.. Cha Feb 2017 #62
+100000. He acted like a RW jerk during his very short stint ecstatic Feb 2017 #75
CENK jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #5
Mine too. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #6
I'll try and leftynyc Feb 2017 #8
i worry about your ability to live your life successfully when low post Du'ers have had it with you La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #34
LOL leftynyc Feb 2017 #83
Cenk, Maher, Moore, Hartmann, Goodman, Toure, Joe Madison, Sanders, Warren, Keith both #1 and #2 jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #16
All good points. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #23
We dont eat our own. Eko Feb 2017 #52
not if they are like our DEM jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #54
So we do eat our own, Eko Feb 2017 #55
Followed quickly by a list of people who do not meet your standard of purity. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #113
Lantern jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #115
Keith and Tom want Unity the others don't.. Yeah, and Hillary wants Unity, too Cha Feb 2017 #64
Keith and Tom want Unity the others don't.. Yeah, and Hillary wants Unity, too. LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #80
Schultz is full of shite.. and so is cenk.. he's a liar.. Cha Feb 2017 #81
Good.. some "hero".. cenk the damn divider Cha Feb 2017 #72
Just to be clear leftynyc Feb 2017 #7
You couldn't have been clearer! (Thank you!) NurseJackie Feb 2017 #10
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I wouldn't take the money leftynyc Feb 2017 #24
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look at what Roemer has been saying about money in politics. nt JCanete Feb 2017 #19
BFD leftynyc Feb 2017 #25
Just look at the numbers over the last 3 decades. Our current approach isn't suicide for JCanete Feb 2017 #30
We had everything in 2008... so I have no idea what you are talking about. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #99
We eeked out a small majority that we couldn't hold. And that is literally for 2 years. JCanete Feb 2017 #108
It doesn't matter.. donating to cenk means he wants to screw with Cha Feb 2017 #65
First, I accept that that is a possibility, although listening to his interview, he had some harsh JCanete Feb 2017 #82
His biggest complaint is that Democrats take corporate cash Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #106
Exactly leftynyc Feb 2017 #111
Yeah, such a damn divider.. Cha Feb 2017 #63
Even though he takes millions from Rethugs. Some hero. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #73
Cenk is an ass. Worse than Dennis Miller and Ed Schultz. Can't stand him. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #9
I disagree about Maher leftynyc Feb 2017 #14
He's said some pretty unforgivable things. His occasional zingers and sense of humor ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #20
I think you're talking about the wrong person. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #22
No, I'm talking about the same person. I guess my standards are higher ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #42
is YT still a mouth piece for russia today and the putin fake news network? nt msongs Feb 2017 #11
Yes leftynyc Feb 2017 #15
No. He's not on RT. progressoid Feb 2017 #121
What are talking about? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #26
Yup. And now he has millions from Republicans to fight Democrats. And yet there are those... Squinch Feb 2017 #27
No, never was. nt JCanete Feb 2017 #31
Dam Centrist. Rex Feb 2017 #13
I'm glad they have the money to promote liberal politics. Buddy Roemer isn't running the show, JCanete Feb 2017 #18
He who calls pays the price calls the tune...it is naive to believe otherwise...and explains much Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #100
I didn't see Trump enabling, nor do I see it there now. Nor are they guilty of false equivalencies. JCanete Feb 2017 #107
$4 million to continue shitting on Democrats for the next four years. Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #21
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Pointing out the flaws... Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #33
It is why we have Trump in power....shitting on Democrats. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #36
Exactly. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #38
No ...those who voted for Trump,third party or not at all cost us the election...and I say screw Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #47
Hillary's over. Time to find a new kink. BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #56
I was speaking about what happened in the past. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #58
No it didn't.. that's not what cost us the WH. Cha Feb 2017 #68
Your post make me want to throw up. Like the republicans don't Blue_true Feb 2017 #40
No he does not. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #41
I wouldn't know about that as I stopped listening to him during the election...however, if in Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #46
that actually is factually far from correct. Why say it? nt JCanete Feb 2017 #50
Criticism is one thing. Setting up progressive purity tests Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #43
So, he has to fall in line with your view Dem party...? Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #44
Where did I say he has to fall in line with anything? Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #48
We have to fall in line with his view and his purity tests treestar Feb 2017 #89
He is not a Democrat ...and he is purely awful. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #101
this is a very important point Swagman Feb 2017 #129
That's Hysterical otohara Feb 2017 #60
cenk is a divider.. fucking buzzword profiteer Cha Feb 2017 #67
OMG! I hadn't see that. What the FUCK is wrong with him??? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #87
lHe's a total ******* Fraud.. Cha Feb 2017 #66
And, where do you think... Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #32
Please find a liberal news site that took money from the GOP or retract your they all do it posting. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #37
Look at the advertisements. NT. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #39
No, taking advertisements is not the same ...couldn't find anything right? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #45
actually it is the same, or certainly has a similar potential impact. It absolutely effects coverage JCanete Feb 2017 #49
Well said. nt. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #86
No it is not the same...right under the bottom of every newspaper Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #97
If that's the case then why have so many companies pulled ads from Breitbart et. al.? progressoid Feb 2017 #122
This is very similar to Glenn Greenwald Swagman Mar 2017 #130
Cenk now tweeting that in SOU speech Swagman Mar 2017 #131
After his behavior leftynyc Feb 2017 #53
Except... Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #59
After all the trashing leftynyc Feb 2017 #84
Hillary didn't need friends like that guy... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #98
Oh it's undercover OP.. repub giving money to cenk.. I have no doubt.. and Cha Feb 2017 #77
cenk bashes himself by bashing Dems when he should be going Cha Feb 2017 #69
Not surprised after his behavior during the election. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #35
wow gopiscrap Feb 2017 #51
That's probably because it is. BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #57
Exactly.. which is easy with cenk because he's out to Cha Feb 2017 #71
Cenk D_Master81 Feb 2017 #61
Nah, cenk is a damn divider only out for himself.. Cha Feb 2017 #70
Disagree - Cenk wants to take the party more to the left which I like womanofthehills Feb 2017 #74
I'm glad he's covering Standing Rock.. he needs to stick to that.. he's still a damn Divider as Cha Feb 2017 #76
Cenk's tweet was DIGUSTING!! He profits when Democrats are divided... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #88
I know.. it is Disgusting. He taunts his divisive bullshit and his Cha Feb 2017 #90
His lies and blatant efforts to divide are SO obvious! It makes me wonder ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #92
".. why would they want to follow a path that moves them FURTHER AWAY from their ultimate goals?" Cha Feb 2017 #93
They don't care if they win and they attack the Democratic Party exclusively... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #102
THIS ARTICLE IS 3 YEARS OLD. ffs. yodermon Feb 2017 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author phleshdef Feb 2017 #79
So what? leftynyc Feb 2017 #85
Well, this cenk tweet is more current for ya.. he's divisive and a Liar.. Cha Feb 2017 #91
That right there should PERMANENTLY disqualify him from ANY serious discussion or ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #96
Is it less-true because if its age? I'm glad to learn more about that asshole ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #94
I'm new to this site. dancePop Feb 2017 #103
This site has become Underground in name only, sad to say. yodermon Feb 2017 #105
Of the 4 posts I've seen from you, 2 criticize DU/DUers and 2 say we can't win Texas Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #109
No. I've got plenty of thoughts that are mostly positive for Democrats. dancePop Feb 2017 #112
I take it from your reply you are not a Democrat? Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #114
LOL. Not even close. dancePop Feb 2017 #118
Rrrriiiiiiiight. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #119
At least you finally admit it. dancePop Feb 2017 #120
That's cute little alt-fact statement you made there. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #124
Ugh! nt dancePop Feb 2017 #125
Welcome to DU dancePop progressoid Feb 2017 #123
That explains the emoprog nutbars like Michael Tracey and Nomiki Konst Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #95
I believe in a more progressive party than we have but I see the complete bronxiteforever Feb 2017 #104
+1000 leftynyc Feb 2017 #110
Old news. LWolf Feb 2017 #116
It's old news leftynyc Feb 2017 #117
I think LWolf Feb 2017 #126
He's hardly worthy leftynyc Feb 2017 #127
Okay. LWolf Mar 2017 #132
LOL - it took all of 20 seconds leftynyc Mar 2017 #133
This has been my problem with both Ed & Cenk. They go from hardcore rightwing to emoprog without Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #128
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