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In reply to the discussion: The Young Turks Network Raises $4 Million From Former Republican Presidential Candidate [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)108. We eeked out a small majority that we couldn't hold. And that is literally for 2 years.
Since 1996 that is the only time we've controlled congress and the Senate. Even if you want to blame the green party for W, which I think is erroneous, that doesn't account for the rest of our attrition in governorships and state seats.
I have no illusions about whether more progressive candidates are likely to win, especially when they are isolated and not fully supported in their message by the party. I don't suggest that that road is pretty, or guaranteed victory. I'm saying trying to be friendly or conciliatory with corporations is why we've had the attrition we've had. This is the perfect world for corporate interests. This is why they put money into the Democrats and the Republicans. So that their friends are the ones who win the primaries. And you literally just said in another thread that the funders hold sway over the message. You were talking about media, but I know you aren't going to try to separate politicians out from that behavior. So you must know then, it is a problem when we take money. You might think that it wins us elections and that there is no choice, but the proof is it barely does. It props us up as party number two. The opposition party, that occasionally gets two years to try to right the course, with its hands tied behind its back. And then, back to crazy town.
I know, we won the popular vote, but only for President. And the corporate media didn't lift a finger to do anything but to legitimize this man's presidency. These are the corporations we think we can be friendly with...that we can make promises to and they will have our backs. We mistake their donations as them seeing reason. What they see is a need to perpetuate a sense of democracy. What they see is a need to have a minority party that should it gain power for a few years, doesn't go all crazy on them.
Again, if we stop taking big money as a party, I don't know what that does to us. But if that choice meant we never won another election it would only prove that our system is already wholly and irrevocably fucked. We may as well know.
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The Young Turks Network Raises $4 Million From Former Republican Presidential Candidate [View all]
leftynyc
Feb 2017
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i worry about your ability to live your life successfully when low post Du'ers have had it with you
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2017
#34
Cenk, Maher, Moore, Hartmann, Goodman, Toure, Joe Madison, Sanders, Warren, Keith both #1 and #2
jodymarie aimee
Feb 2017
#16
Followed quickly by a list of people who do not meet your standard of purity.
LanternWaste
Feb 2017
#113
Keith and Tom want Unity the others don't.. Yeah, and Hillary wants Unity, too.
LenaBaby61
Feb 2017
#80
Just look at the numbers over the last 3 decades. Our current approach isn't suicide for
JCanete
Feb 2017
#30
We eeked out a small majority that we couldn't hold. And that is literally for 2 years.
JCanete
Feb 2017
#108
First, I accept that that is a possibility, although listening to his interview, he had some harsh
JCanete
Feb 2017
#82
He's said some pretty unforgivable things. His occasional zingers and sense of humor ...
NurseJackie
Feb 2017
#20
Yup. And now he has millions from Republicans to fight Democrats. And yet there are those...
Squinch
Feb 2017
#27
I'm glad they have the money to promote liberal politics. Buddy Roemer isn't running the show,
JCanete
Feb 2017
#18
He who calls pays the price calls the tune...it is naive to believe otherwise...and explains much
Demsrule86
Feb 2017
#100
I didn't see Trump enabling, nor do I see it there now. Nor are they guilty of false equivalencies.
JCanete
Feb 2017
#107
No ...those who voted for Trump,third party or not at all cost us the election...and I say screw
Demsrule86
Feb 2017
#47
I wouldn't know about that as I stopped listening to him during the election...however, if in
Demsrule86
Feb 2017
#46
Please find a liberal news site that took money from the GOP or retract your they all do it posting.
Demsrule86
Feb 2017
#37
actually it is the same, or certainly has a similar potential impact. It absolutely effects coverage
JCanete
Feb 2017
#49
If that's the case then why have so many companies pulled ads from Breitbart et. al.?
progressoid
Feb 2017
#122
I'm glad he's covering Standing Rock.. he needs to stick to that.. he's still a damn Divider as
Cha
Feb 2017
#76
His lies and blatant efforts to divide are SO obvious! It makes me wonder ...
NurseJackie
Feb 2017
#92
".. why would they want to follow a path that moves them FURTHER AWAY from their ultimate goals?"
Cha
Feb 2017
#93
They don't care if they win and they attack the Democratic Party exclusively...
Demsrule86
Feb 2017
#102
That right there should PERMANENTLY disqualify him from ANY serious discussion or ...
NurseJackie
Feb 2017
#96
Is it less-true because if its age? I'm glad to learn more about that asshole ...
NurseJackie
Feb 2017
#94
Of the 4 posts I've seen from you, 2 criticize DU/DUers and 2 say we can't win Texas
Maru Kitteh
Feb 2017
#109
I believe in a more progressive party than we have but I see the complete
bronxiteforever
Feb 2017
#104
This has been my problem with both Ed & Cenk. They go from hardcore rightwing to emoprog without
Tarheel_Dem
Feb 2017
#128