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16. He's not even that.

Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:51 AM

Mar 2017

He's pandering to the same Reagan Democrats that left the party because it was getting too black for them (this is why he has such strong crossover appeal in Vermont; it's really fucking white, also that's why the Dem leadership doesn't touch him and would never support someone like Al Giordano; if they try, they likely fail anyway and Vermont becomes a swing state) . If you actually consider his myopia on race and gender as part of the equation (like, what leftist is going to say race and gender doesn't matter!?), he's honestly considerably to the RIGHT of the average Democrat.

The fact that he's a "socialist" who's spent a good amount of time studying socialist history makes his ideological errors even more egregious. The interplay between race and class is literally Marxism 101 and he flunks.

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Bernie Sanders... The head of the Democratic Party who was never head of the Democratic Party [View all] WiffenPoof Mar 2017 OP

Until he registers as a Democrat that isn't going to happen still_one Mar 2017 #1

Even if he did, he will never be a leader of the Democratic Party simply because of these statements forjusticethunders Mar 2017 #8

And young people of color Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #19

young folks in my age group * were also victims of propaganda JHan Mar 2017 #47

Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #68

Nice try. JHan Mar 2017 #69

The stages of grief after realization that one has been used as a tool of Putin delisen Mar 2017 #75

It's way too late for bernie to liquid diamond Mar 2017 #31

Yes. And MANY OTHER "identity" Democrats who don't share Hortensis Mar 2017 #136

This is clickbait to get people to say stuff so they can report it . Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #144

Well, there then. I did get carried away saying Hortensis Mar 2017 #148

I am with you. Already I see they have had some success... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #151

everything you've posted in here is spot on. JHan Mar 2017 #154

Yes. Hortensis Mar 2017 #158

You prefer elitism? George Eliot Aug 2018 #168

He did register as a Democrat when he ran for President. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #44

He actually went back to being an Independent a month or more before the convention. In fact... George II Mar 2017 #66

The zombie lie: "Bernie never became a Democrat in Vermont" truebluegreen Mar 2017 #76

Not a "zombie lie". Pat Leahy is a Democrat, Sanders is an Independent..... George II Mar 2017 #82

Self identified. eom truebluegreen Mar 2017 #108

You kind of defeated your point there. synergie Mar 2017 #156

He doesn't represent them any better than Elizabeth Warren, Patty Murray, or pnwmom Mar 2017 #83

They are. Authoritarian leaders are almost always male. Hortensis Mar 2017 #137

+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #79

A party that he refuses to join lmao forjusticethunders Mar 2017 #2

Bernie can't be a leader until he learns how to be a team player... comradebillyboy Mar 2017 #3

Nah, he's just fooling around in Trumpland. He doesn't have enough seniority to take on the WH/GOP Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #4

He is not the 'true leader' of a party that he refuses to join. kstewart33 Mar 2017 #5

If he can move the nation closer to Single Payer, then good on him. Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #6

He is the true leader of the liberal wing. padfun Mar 2017 #7

If your "liberalism" only caters to the interests of white workers forjusticethunders Mar 2017 #9

That is a right wing lie padfun Mar 2017 #11

And then he participated in white flight to almost all-white Vermont. forjusticethunders Mar 2017 #15

I grew up in Brooklyn about 2-3 miles from where he grew up and was born about five years.... George II Mar 2017 #26

How dare he move where he wants. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #153

He participated in a sit-in at the University of Chicago, where he was arrested along with dozens... George II Mar 2017 #30

years and years ago...who cares? Now if he joined the party, that would show he wants unity. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #146

Respectfully, no. kstewart33 Mar 2017 #24

Essentially, that is what Trump did to the Repubs... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #49

Who are these "Reagan Democrats" sheshe2 Mar 2017 #25

I was wondering the same. cwydro Mar 2017 #54

Yup. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #58

Yeah, tell that to Elizabeth Warren and Patty Murray. Bernie's their "true leader." nt pnwmom Mar 2017 #85

he things we tell ourselves... LanternWaste Mar 2017 #90

No, too divisive with insults.. just like you're doing now. Cha Mar 2017 #152

Nope. He refuses to become a Democrat. MineralMan Mar 2017 #10

I keep hearing "constitutional crisis" on here lately? What constitutional crisis? Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #21

Mineral Man is correct. kstewart33 Mar 2017 #27

Nope. He's not "emerging" as anything of the sort. That's just wishful thinking. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #12

He's not even that. forjusticethunders Mar 2017 #16

You make valid points. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #17

thank you. JHan Mar 2017 #34

Yup. +1 Starry Messenger Mar 2017 #141

Uh...he would have to join the party first workinclasszero Mar 2017 #13

As long as he continues to go around talking about what's wrong with Democrats, the Democrats.... George II Mar 2017 #14

Oh my god, yes!! Al Franken TOTALLY ROCKS!! He has a very statesmanlike demeanor, and... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #20

You mean...a Democratic Party MEMBER who leads the Democrats? That just doesn't sound right. randome Mar 2017 #22

busterisms will kill us. JHan Mar 2017 #39

You left Adam Schiff off of your list... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #50

Damn, how could I have forgotten him? Thanks for the reminder. George II Mar 2017 #52

He's been making a name this year, to be sure... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #55

"he is emerging as the true leader of the Democratic Party." LexVegas Mar 2017 #18

Nope. sheshe2 Mar 2017 #23

Hell nope.!!!! oasis Mar 2017 #59

Personalities are causing us to lose site of what is important. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #28

A party he (IMO) did his best to divide. LisaM Mar 2017 #29

Yep. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2017 #41

"he is emerging as the true leader of the Democratic Party." NCTraveler Mar 2017 #32

The Democratic Party needs to lose its corporate ties. alarimer Mar 2017 #33

tell me again which party wants to reverse citizen's united. JHan Mar 2017 #35

Thank you. I get so weary of the lies and smears against the Democratic Party. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #40

It's why I shared that video yesterday, Obama laid out the challenges .. JHan Mar 2017 #43

Oh, I missed that. Can you post the link again, please? (Thanks.) NurseJackie Mar 2017 #48

sure :) this is the direct youtube link - JHan Mar 2017 #56

YouTube: "Obama on Citizens United Ruling" (Thanks for the link, JHan!) NurseJackie Mar 2017 #61

I think people need to define what they mean by "corporate ties", and what determines... George II Mar 2017 #77

If he wants Single Payer to be his legacy he's going to need to make a real effort brooklynite Mar 2017 #36

Other that introducing DOA proposals, Bernie Blue_true Mar 2017 #121

Sanders is a statesman, just like the original founders of our country... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #37

He couldn't get single payer enacted when our Democrats had the majority in both houses, how... George II Mar 2017 #46

It takes more than just one Senator... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #63

Bernie didn't even join the effort to get Single Payer done in Vermont. Blue_true Mar 2017 #123

And he's a politician. That's why he's a gun rights person -- to get elected in Vermont. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #86

Check is voting record... looks like you believe the Russian propaganda on this... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #92

I know his voting record, including his voting record on gun control. n/t pnwmom Mar 2017 #94

No. He's not even a Democrat. What an absurd thing to say. Stand and Fight Mar 2017 #38

Another one of these threads? liquid diamond Mar 2017 #42

Leader of the Dem party? He can start by joining the party and ceasing his attacks on it Maven Mar 2017 #45

Bernie Sanders is an independent thinker and leader democrank Mar 2017 #51

Unfortunately he was slow to recognize Putin's interference. delisen Mar 2017 #81

This Is So Frustrating... WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #53

It is so frustrating to me that you are deliberately overlooking strong FEMALE leaders pnwmom Mar 2017 #64

OMG - How can you say that?! WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #67

Well when you go straight to Bernie is the leader of the Democratic Party and then backtrack JTFrog Mar 2017 #72

Wow...I'm definitely on the wrong site. WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #95

"I've made no mention of female leaders." NCTraveler Mar 2017 #74

EXACTLY. You called Bernie the HEAD of the Democratic party while overlooking Elizabeth Warren, pnwmom Mar 2017 #80

Stop It! WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #88

Why should I? You still have an OP up insisting that Bernie is the HEAD of the party. pnwmom Mar 2017 #93

I give up....nt WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #96

The OP is just suggesting Sanders is providing leadership that brings forth very liberal policies Quixote1818 Mar 2017 #99

Wow WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #102

The OP calls Bernie "the head of the Democratic party." That is a much larger claim pnwmom Mar 2017 #103

It was a tong and cheek statement the OP made Quixote1818 Mar 2017 #115

Then all that needs to be done is to remove the "He's our leader" bit. No problems then. randome Mar 2017 #117

So now you're the o.p.'s translator? We can read, in black & white, what the o.p. said. nt Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #135

"Why do you hate Sanders so much?" George II Mar 2017 #106

There are a handful of posters who immediately go ballistic on any positive post about Sanders Quixote1818 Mar 2017 #114

It isn't 'positive' to claim he is our leader. That's what causes the divisiveness. randome Mar 2017 #119

Please show me those posts where I went "ballistic" or expressed "rage" about Sanders. pnwmom Mar 2017 #120

Look, if those women know what's good for them, they'll stand aside for the curmudgeonly outsider! randome Mar 2017 #100

I reject that explanation. When you proclaim such an elevated status for him... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #70

Sorry If I offended You WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #87

No, you don't offend me. I don't know you. Your words are offensive. Get it? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #101

Thank you Professor. Nt WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #105

Your right and they know you are right. Quixote1818 Mar 2017 #91

Gawd....I feel like I called up the devil WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #97

Oh nice! So, people who disagree with you are the "Devil"? Charming. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #109

So many people here are still under the spell of Russian Bots regarding Bernie. SalviaBlue Mar 2017 #57

Exactly! eom WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #60

Um, it was Bernie fans that pushed RT and propaganda here, not the other way around. nt JTFrog Mar 2017 #73

It's lovely that Bernie is pushing for single payer today. Let's have a tea party + watch Rome burn. Justice Mar 2017 #62

The divergence between the abstract and the practical is so distinct here! RadiationTherapy Mar 2017 #65

Well Stated nt WiffenPoof Mar 2017 #98

I'd say Franken, Warren and Gillibrand are leading the pack nini Mar 2017 #71

Democratic party Members only from now on.......thanks. stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #78

If Bernie really wants to head up the party, he can damn well join it. (nt) Paladin Mar 2017 #84

Why is it that every few days, someone seeks to push buttons regarding outsiders? randome Mar 2017 #89

I hope the OP writer reads your comment... SharonClark Mar 2017 #111

Why is it? Blue_true Mar 2017 #125

No offense, but if Bernie wants influence, he has to fucking COMMIT. Adrahil Mar 2017 #104

He's the most apparent leader that I can see. "Official" or not. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #107

And our actual party leaders are what? Chopped liver? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #110

Bless your little heart. SharonClark Mar 2017 #113

Why Sanders will never be the leader of the Democratic Party, in his own words: George II Mar 2017 #112

Wow! I hadn't heard the "opportunism" quote before. That's disappointing. But... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #116

Oh gosh, because you were such a big fan of his previously.. Kentonio Mar 2017 #128

What does that even mean? Can you elaborate? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #130

Makes you wonder why "some" here continue to try & make us follow someone who obviously.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #138

We needed his push 7 years ago back when there was still a snowball's chance Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #118

This is not the way to garner support for Bernie around here aikoaiko Mar 2017 #122

And this laundry list helps... how? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #124

Its not supposed to help you. Its directed at the OP to help him or her understand reactions aikoaiko Mar 2017 #127

A laundry list of fault-finding finger-pointing name-calling post only stirs MORE shit. Why? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #132

What in my post do you consider fault-finding, finger-pointing, or name-calling? aikoaiko Mar 2017 #134

"If you have to ask" then my adding anything extra isn't likely to help clarify. It appears... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #139

agreed. May not have been intended, but is certainly keeping the hurt feelings alive, something JCanete Mar 2017 #131

Apparently, the forces who tried to divide us in the primaries are still hard at work. Why you... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2017 #126

I believe your intuition is correct. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #129

Bernie Still Rocks! Bayard Mar 2017 #133

"He's not your typical politician" NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #149

He just kicked ass on Rachel Maddow Bayard Mar 2017 #167

I changed my party registration this week. Portland_Anni Mar 2017 #140

Welcome, Portland_Anni Cha Mar 2017 #147

Typo? NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #142

He can not be a leader in the Democratic Party as he is not Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #143

Hell NO. NOthing "true"about it.. and give me a break. Cha Mar 2017 #145

Russian propaganda helped Bernie in the primaries but he still lost. SecularMotion Mar 2017 #150

Is this accurate? Assuming "russian propaganda" means thousands of social media sock puppets... philly_bob Mar 2017 #161

This was recent news SecularMotion Mar 2017 #163

All due respect to Bernie, we need new leadership. Younger leadership. West coast leadership. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #155

No, just no. He is too divisive. Nonhlanhla Mar 2017 #157

This very thread is proof of his divisive nature. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #160

is he a dem yet? samnsara Mar 2017 #159

Ugh! Bernie, please go away! nikibatts Mar 2017 #162

He hasn't been acting like a leader. Plus he's not a Democrat. He likes to be an agitator and is kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #164

Love & Respect furtheradu Mar 2017 #165

Registered Independant Bernie Sanders just called the Democratic Party feeble SticksnStones Mar 2017 #166