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moriah

(8,311 posts)
27. Sorry, have to disagree at least with some of this.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:46 PM
Apr 2017

1) The RW frame their bills for "life" exceptions usually, but not both life *and* health, and if any health exception no mental health exception, and usually restricted to "permanent impairment of function" being how bad a woman's health has to be damaged by the parasite drawing life off of theirs before she can have it removed. The 20-week abortion ban Casey voted for cloture on when he knew Obama had promised a veto had no health exception, but definitely a life of the mother exception.

2) That same bill also highlights another RW drift -- they want the procedure to be done in the way "most likely to preserve the life" of the child, unless it would make the woman's chance at survival worse. Yay, at least they aren't demanding Cesarean delivery when the life-threatening condition is a septic preterm birth. But boo, in that now that they got D&X outlawed they want to dictate that the abortion might have to be done by hysterotomy. Still, they've drifted away from D&X procedures being their main targets.

3) While Kaine might not support restrictions on that method now, in 2005 he *did* campaign on the promise to ban D&X procedures with an "enforceable" ban, which meant it had to have both life and health exceptions. And he used the "PBA" words when he said it, on his website, during that campaign.

I'm a woman who has read Kaine's record closely.

Kaine [View all] H2O Man Apr 2017 OP
One of the restrictions (partial-birth abortions) came about in Virginia at a time when the GOP FSogol Apr 2017 #1
Right. H2O Man Apr 2017 #2
They just made it up. There is no such procedure by that name at all. Vesper Apr 2017 #37
he DOES NOT support restrictions on partial birth abortions and can we please leave the RW framing boston bean Apr 2017 #3
+1000! mcar Apr 2017 #4
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #13
Great post-you are correct as to the facts Gothmog Apr 2017 #22
Under Roe, certain restrictions on third trimester abortions are legitimate. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #26
They made up the term to be as offensive as possible, there is literally no such Vesper Apr 2017 #38
Sorry, have to disagree at least with some of this. moriah Apr 2017 #27
RW framing is when it's called mcar Apr 2017 #29
Hence why I used the correct term D&X. moriah Apr 2017 #30
I'm for letting Women make that choice madokie Apr 2017 #6
You made perfect sense. demmiblue Apr 2017 #7
Very well said! H2O Man Apr 2017 #14
"Yesterday, I read some OP/threads on DU:GD regarding Tim Kaine, and his position on abortion" George II Apr 2017 #8
no H2O Man Apr 2017 #15
I can only assume then that there were/are none. George II Apr 2017 #17
oh H2O Man Apr 2017 #21
What does this post mean in context of the facts presented above? Gothmog Apr 2017 #23
It means no. H2O Man Apr 2017 #24
So basically same as Mello if you actually believed facts Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #9
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #16
No. I get why the sole focus here is on that one ultra sound bill whose language Vesper Apr 2017 #39
I support a womans right to choose 100%. democrank Apr 2017 #10
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #18
I don't understand why anyone thinks anyone is cheering on abortions. Vesper Apr 2017 #40
The new phrase which I find more appropriate is "trust women" lostnfound Apr 2017 #50
He changed on abstinence-only education in 2007. brer cat Apr 2017 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2017 #19
You should edit your OP to correct wrong statement about abstinence. Justice Apr 2017 #43
The OP is correct. H2O Man Apr 2017 #49
Was he pro abstinence only before then? Vesper Apr 2017 #41
Yes. brer cat Apr 2017 #42
I thought I read earlier in the thread that he was pro access to contraception though. Vesper Apr 2017 #44
He did later. brer cat Apr 2017 #45
Since he took office in 2006 (per wiki), that's not too bad. Vesper Apr 2017 #46
VA was the 14th state to banish abstinence-only sex ed. brer cat Apr 2017 #47
Gotcha. Thank you for the info! Vesper Apr 2017 #48
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2017 #12
Thanks. H2O Man Apr 2017 #20
K&R... spanone Apr 2017 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2017 #33
K&R. n/t ms liberty Apr 2017 #28
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #34
Thank you for remaining: PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #31
Well, thank you! H2O Man Apr 2017 #35
K&R SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #32
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #36
KR Me. Apr 2017 #51
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