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athena

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42. Do you also believe
Wed May 3, 2017, 12:46 AM
May 2017

we should be debating things like slavery, forced sterilization for the poor, and child labor? Whether gravity is an attractive force? Whether disease is caused by evil spirits? Is there anything that is settled in your mind?

There are some things that don't need to be re-debated and re-tested endlessly. As I have tried to explain several times now, science could not advance if accepted results could not be accepted as foundations upon which to build new results. And, as a former scientist, I believe it is important to leave the science to the scientists. There is a reason it takes a Ph.D. and years of training to do scientific research. Even scientists in other fields, let alone laypersons, are incapable of contributing in a meaningful way. All they can do is waste the scientists' time by forcing them to explain basic things they lack the knowledge and training to understand.

It's sad that we have arrived at a point where no one respects training and credentials any more. Any guy on the street (and yes, I mean "guy", since it's always men who behave in this know-it-all fashion) thinks he can dismiss the findings of tens of thousands of climate scientists. As a physicist, I trust and respect the training, competence, and scientific integrity of the tens of thousands of climate scientists who say that climate change is real and is caused by human activity -- just as when I worked on my Ph.D. thesis, I did not try to re-test and re-establish the centuries of physics -- or the newer results that were only years old -- upon which my own results were built. Trusting science means trusting scientists, and having the humility to accept that a non-scientist is not the equal of a scientist when it comes to critiquing the work of said scientist. If a scientist makes a mistake, it will be another scientist who will discover this -- not some guy on the street, or some opinionated guy with a newspaper column. Science has its own way of weeding out bad results; it's what makes it so powerful. If you cannot trust science to do that, then you don't believe in science or the scientific method, period.

No more NYT [View all] kpete May 2017 OP
Op-Ed pages are supposed to be diverse creeksneakers2 May 2017 #1
so if someone says the world is flat Skittles May 2017 #3
So what if they do say its flat? creeksneakers2 May 2017 #10
ridiculous Skittles May 2017 #11
Fox News it what it is creeksneakers2 May 2017 #24
No, it is what it is because hosts lie to present one spooky3 May 2017 #26
The Supreme Court has protected false speech creeksneakers2 May 2017 #41
YOU DON'T GIVE EQUAL TIME TO CRANKS Skittles May 2017 #49
Yeah, not a great argument. Sorry. WinkyDink May 2017 #14
Even op-eds should be fact checked sharedvalues May 2017 #28
It was fact checked creeksneakers2 May 2017 #39
New Yorker wld have rejected it sharedvalues May 2017 #46
Finally cancelled my NYT Worktodo May 2017 #47
Good for you sharedvalues May 2017 #48
This isn't an issue about which there is legitimately a diversity of opinion Spider Jerusalem May 2017 #4
One reason science is as good as it is creeksneakers2 May 2017 #7
Sorry, but... Spider Jerusalem May 2017 #9
All those things you say are true creeksneakers2 May 2017 #21
"All"? Do you suppose the Heliocentric Theory, e.g., is "up for challenge"? WinkyDink May 2017 #16
It would be difficult to beat it creeksneakers2 May 2017 #22
One big difference you're forgetting athena May 2017 #31
The analyses creeksneakers2 May 2017 #33
Do you have children? athena May 2017 #34
Wow! creeksneakers2 May 2017 #36
Do you also believe athena May 2017 #42
The responses to the editorial creeksneakers2 May 2017 #45
That is patently false. athena May 2017 #19
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word all creeksneakers2 May 2017 #20
Solid, accepted results don't get disproven. athena May 2017 #25
Climate change was not established centuries ago creeksneakers2 May 2017 #27
That doesn't mean the NYTimes should give a platform to someone who is pushing pnwmom May 2017 #35
Did you read it? creeksneakers2 May 2017 #37
Yes, and I also read this: pnwmom May 2017 #40
Stephens and the scientists at your link and you creeksneakers2 May 2017 #43
Stephens isn't a climate scientist and lacks the educational background to debate pnwmom May 2017 #44
Stephens isn't debating climate change creeksneakers2 May 2017 #50
He's debating the CAUSES of climate change and how much human activity is a factor. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #51
I don't see that there creeksneakers2 May 2017 #54
He has a long history. For example: pnwmom May 2017 #55
Alarmist creeksneakers2 May 2017 #56
Not so diverse that they include FAKE SCIENCE. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #5
I read the Op-Ed creeksneakers2 May 2017 #23
"supposed to be diverse" tenderfoot May 2017 #15
I heard a report that said eating boogers is good for you. creeksneakers2 May 2017 #38
Yes. elleng May 2017 #32
It's a shame that scientists can't be fair and balanced dalton99a May 2017 #2
.. Cha May 2017 #6
Warped? NurseJackie May 2017 #8
At this point we can't save the planet... hunter May 2017 #12
Actually, the planet does not need to be saved. Caliman73 May 2017 #13
I'm a paleontologist and evolutionary biologist by inclination and much formal training. hunter May 2017 #17
Sad but true. Caliman73 May 2017 #18
"Much more likely we end up dead dirt that will never be sifted, eternally forgotten." CrispyQ May 2017 #53
We could theoretically use railguns to launch discs between us LittleBlue May 2017 #52
You're too smart to do such, elleng May 2017 #29
NYT must print facts, even in op-eds - so says New Yorker sharedvalues May 2017 #30
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