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LisaM

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62. I feel sympathy for his family but they don't seem to think he did anything wrong....

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:44 PM

Jun 2017

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in fact, in an article I read yesterday, they said they were proud of him and his tendency to be "adventurous".

Clearly, this family feels entitled.

You know who I think bears responsibility? The company that takes kids to North Korea from China. How on earth do they leave him there?

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On Traveling to North Korea. [View all] MineralMan Jun 2017 OP

Sad that this is not blindingly obvious Takket Jun 2017 #1

Yes, sad, indeed. I can think of no reason for any US Citizen MineralMan Jun 2017 #4

to visit relatives? I know some people who visited last year along with their family member who Sunlei Jun 2017 #124

I liken it to "kamikaze sushi." BobTheSubgenius Jun 2017 #125

I agree completely. Mr. Shraby will say, what was that person doing there anyway? Don't they realize shraby Jun 2017 #2

In retaliation, and for safety, the US should ban travel to North Korea, at least for now. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #113

A travel ban that makes sense, maddiemom Jun 2017 #134

About a dozen people die visiting the Grand Canyon each year jberryhill Jun 2017 #3

People die for all sorts of reasons. Mostly MineralMan Jun 2017 #7

There are "no good reasons" for a lot of things jberryhill Jun 2017 #12

Indeed. Bungee jumping is on my list of things MineralMan Jun 2017 #15

Or meth, or opioids - both of which are considerably more popular jberryhill Jun 2017 #17

You trying to say we're all going to die or something? Corvo Bianco Jun 2017 #70

People do all kinds of risky things. It's not a big deal jberryhill Jun 2017 #72

I say live and let live... defacto7 Jun 2017 #107

Does the US pay my traffic tickets abroad? jberryhill Jun 2017 #108

you missed the point. nt defacto7 Jun 2017 #109

I think the reason people are upset is that they see an articulate father grieving over his lost son karynnj Jun 2017 #139

Thanks, very good points. Understandable the families pain & them wanting ANY Admin. to do more. Sunlei Jun 2017 #156

The right wing is absolutely hypocritical about it karynnj Jun 2017 #157

The New York Philharmonic played in DPRK some years back.. pangaia Jun 2017 #35

I went a dozen years ago rpannier Jun 2017 #106

Your argument is inane. These are not comparable experiences. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #114

At the hands of the government? George II Jun 2017 #126

Lastly listen to the State Dept. when they post an explicit warning. Historic NY Jun 2017 #5

Yes. The US Government does not have a responsibility to MineralMan Jun 2017 #20

No but the US government shouldn't block the world from reading their newspapers, communicating Sunlei Jun 2017 #127

google gives me press tv (Iran) - same with Syria and Russia. karynnj Jun 2017 #143

https://news.google.com/ Sunlei Jun 2017 #150

I think we might be opposites - I had never gone to news.google, until you mentioned it karynnj Jun 2017 #153

State dept strongly discourages travel to NK lunasun Jun 2017 #144

This is still around: Glimmer of Hope Jun 2017 #6

Yes, well, that's a UK travel company. MineralMan Jun 2017 #9

I don't think NK considers British citizens to be as useful as hostages. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #23

The UK maintains diplomatic relations with NK and has an embassy in Pyongyang (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #69

Some things in life just aren't worth doing. Bucket lists are overrated. Just ask some who nikibatts Jun 2017 #8

Especially bucket lists loaded with dangerous things. MineralMan Jun 2017 #13

I WOULD think South Korea is much better. Better yet... yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #10

Yes. South Korea would be an interesting MineralMan Jun 2017 #11

You will have to try the local foods ...hahaha!! yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #14

Not a live one, thanks. I have eaten raw octopus, though. MineralMan Jun 2017 #16

I just love me some ScienceBunny videos yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #19

I love calamari, but I won't eat it any more because of the evidence of intelligence in tblue37 Jun 2017 #22

So only eat the dumb ones jberryhill Jun 2017 #93

Are you channneling Trump on this??? TNNurse Jun 2017 #119

. jberryhill Jun 2017 #136

I'm with you, tblue37 Hekate Jun 2017 #96

Same for me! I'm a SCUBA diver, and they are really cool, even affectionate creatures. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #112

Why are Japan and ROK only 'relatively' safe destinations? pangaia Jun 2017 #37

Well if North Korea starts bombing them they are not yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #101

Ah ha, I understand. pangaia Jun 2017 #102

mochiron yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #103

Wakarimasen. ? pangaia Jun 2017 #104

Taiwan? Hong Kong? mwooldri Jun 2017 #131

Under sane DPRK leadership Korea would be one country. pangaia Jun 2017 #146

South Korea is awesome roscoeroscoe Jun 2017 #111

Going to japan in October and South Korea in late July... pangaia Jun 2017 #36

South Korea and Japan are modern &civilized allies.The is no comparison to the brutal dictatorship, Alice11111 Jun 2017 #115

Japan, China on my must go to places. mwooldri Jun 2017 #135

Whatever you do, do not let your kids climb over the railing at Niagara Falls. longship Jun 2017 #18

Christian fundamentalist missionaries, don't go there thinking you tblue37 Jun 2017 #21

Yes. That's one of the worst reasons to go there. MineralMan Jun 2017 #24

Yeah, we had a guy in upstate NY who crossed from PA waving a bible... pangaia Jun 2017 #39

You are totally correct - no reason to go to North Korea. 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #25

Pretty awful of your XO! There are many countries that don't find things like that funny or cute! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #121

Otto did a dumb thing stealing the poster Motley13 Jun 2017 #26

Apparently, some woman in the US asked him to grab a souvenir MineralMan Jun 2017 #28

"Beauty and the Beast" where the request for a rose leads to trouble karynnj Jun 2017 #145

How does North Korea arrest people 'getting close' if they are still in South Korea? pangaia Jun 2017 #41

I wondered that as well. I'm guessing they really mean the DMZ. Coventina Jun 2017 #45

Heck, they used to kidnap Japanese citizens in Japan dalton99a Jun 2017 #61

I've considered traveling to North Korea. brooklynite Jun 2017 #27

OK. It was just a suggestion. MineralMan Jun 2017 #30

You won't get "the real picture" going to NK. nycbos Jun 2017 #32

I agree, to a point... brooklynite Jun 2017 #33

I wold skip going to a place .. jb5150 Jun 2017 #55

I'd love to go to Seoul BainsBane Jun 2017 #29

Oh, I DO recommend Seoul... pangaia Jun 2017 #43

and shop for K-beauty! BainsBane Jun 2017 #49

LOL :)))))))))))))))))) pangaia Jun 2017 #77

Or stop in for a haircut at the shop with two barber poles jberryhill Jun 2017 #85

Now that's not nice.... pangaia Jun 2017 #88

I kept forgetting which gu my dong was in jberryhill Jun 2017 #89

I surrender....I'm going to a baseball game.. pangaia Jun 2017 #90

Oh I like japan's airport, mini-rooms with beds and showers you can rent for a few hour and rest in Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #122

To repeat what other have said. It is sad that this kind of obvious thing needs to be said. nycbos Jun 2017 #31

That pretty much answers my earlier statement/question. Hekate Jun 2017 #98

I'm with ya.... Adrahil Jun 2017 #34

I feel sympathy for his family but they don't seem to think he did anything wrong.... LisaM Jun 2017 #62

Well said. NT Adrahil Jun 2017 #64

He probably signed a release Mariana Jun 2017 #138

I know a few people (mostly Chinese) who have been there Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #38

IMO, North Korean travel should be illegal. Oneironaut Jun 2017 #40

Oh, I wouldn't go that far, actually. MineralMan Jun 2017 #42

The problem is, each American captured is a purposeful spit in our face. Oneironaut Jun 2017 #44

Well, travel to Cuba was a crime for a long time. SpankMe Jun 2017 #48

You could go to Cuba under certain circumstances jberryhill Jun 2017 #74

Cuba was never a problem, especially in the last 15 years. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #116

There has been renewed discussion of a total ban BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #151

My husband and I have traveled to repressive countries. Coventina Jun 2017 #46

While I've never been to Singapore, friends have spiderpig Jun 2017 #66

Singapore is easily the least interesting Asian destination jberryhill Jun 2017 #73

Ugh. Yeah, I think I'll pass, thanks. Or, at least, never check my luggage. Coventina Jun 2017 #83

Innocents Abroad spiderpig Jun 2017 #86

How are we outraged about travel to NK, when US citizens are murdered HipChick Jun 2017 #47

A valid point, of course. MineralMan Jun 2017 #50

Understood, but US credibility is pretty much shot... HipChick Jun 2017 #52

Yes, but that isn't really related to my thread about not MineralMan Jun 2017 #56

Because it's impractical to wait... SpankMe Jun 2017 #51

Good Point.. HipChick Jun 2017 #53

I, for one, cab67 Jun 2017 #57

Maybe because we can hold more than one thought in our heads at a time? Hekate Jun 2017 #99

Other countries have made that point too IronLionZion Jun 2017 #160

Travel sanctions Airotciv60 Jun 2017 #54

Well, a lot of people would like to go to Cuba. MineralMan Jun 2017 #60

I was in Cuba and East Germany in the 1980s DFW Jun 2017 #110

Justified how? jberryhill Jun 2017 #75

K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #58

Your second point is very much spot-on. cab67 Jun 2017 #59

Yes. There's quite an industry built around that kind of tourism, too. MineralMan Jun 2017 #63

My dad served in the Marines and was in SK during the war. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #65

I'm sorry he didn't get a chance to return. MineralMan Jun 2017 #67

don't. spanone Jun 2017 #68

At this point we need a ban on travel to North Korea. Apparently, it's necessary to save people Vinca Jun 2017 #71

Why? jberryhill Jun 2017 #76

well, perhaps because a death in NK, such as this kid, could spark an international incident/war spanone Jun 2017 #78

And that can't happen elsewhere? jberryhill Jun 2017 #79

sure can. spanone Jun 2017 #91

So it's a longer list than North Korea jberryhill Jun 2017 #92

Don't even get me started on bungee jumpers. LOL. Vinca Jun 2017 #97

No. Just no. mwooldri Jun 2017 #133

You realize that anyone intelligent enough to get to this thread is not taking a trip to NK lol grantcart Jun 2017 #80

I should think so. However, one can never tell. MineralMan Jun 2017 #81

I've actually been to North Korea (technically) MrScorpio Jun 2017 #82

Calling the travel company Young Pioneers is kind of a tip-off for anyone with a memory... Hekate Jun 2017 #84

What about Syria? jberryhill Jun 2017 #87

Why the contrarian stance? I don't get what you're driving at. Hekate Jun 2017 #95

American hostages have been used in all sorts of places jberryhill Jun 2017 #100

What do you think the penalty should be? Mariana Jun 2017 #137

Currently the penalty seems to be imprisonment, a show trial, and death, amirite? Hekate Jun 2017 #147

No, you're not right. Mariana Jun 2017 #162

Couldn't agree more!! Pisces Jun 2017 #94

Agree. Also you can Vicariously travel treestar Jun 2017 #105

No shit nt lillypaddle Jun 2017 #117

Mineral Man and anyone else- Remember Kenneth Bae AND Matthew Todd Miller? Lady_Chat Jun 2017 #118

"Warmbier's family doesnot want an autopsy performed,..." mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #142

Thanks for responding Lady_Chat Jun 2017 #163

Kim Young Un kills his own family members! Humans are just not appreciated in NK! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #120

personally I think China, SK & USA should open the borders and help NK people escape Sunlei Jun 2017 #123

South Korea gives instant citizenship and tons of financial support to any North Korean who manages Coventina Jun 2017 #149

not enough help, tear down the border and drop thousands of cell phones across the lands. Sunlei Jun 2017 #152

And, the instant that happened, North Korea would nuke South Korea. Coventina Jun 2017 #155

Try Syria instead, it's lovely this time of year IronLionZion Jun 2017 #128

I dunno I've been in China. Link?They are not hawking trips to NK on the street corners . lunasun Jun 2017 #148

I've been to China and the propaganda is completely loony IronLionZion Jun 2017 #159

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #129

Often, you just have to go to some country MineralMan Jun 2017 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #132

I hear that Louise Mensch tweeted that North Korea might be dangerous Orrex Jun 2017 #140

Brilliant! If only people had listened to her, eh? MineralMan Jun 2017 #141

Not going there Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #154

China's OK. Lots of tourism there, and it's very safe. MineralMan Jun 2017 #158

I understand your points, but I've been to mainland China and 1989 USSR steve2470 Jun 2017 #161