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ancianita

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18. Clever by half. You don't represent everyone. Some leaders are mistaken.Chomsky is no authority on
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:51 PM
Aug 2017

what works. He describes. He does not prescribe. He's afraid. But he knows where uncontrolled Naziism leads. He falls back on rule of law which isn't systematically applied across 50 separate legal jurisdictions.

When you claim antifa use of due force is violent, you dismiss the rightness of their cause. You toss out all their effort and the rightness of their cause because their methods scare you.

You say that because they use the methods of their opponents, they are both the same. They'll never, never be the same.

If we thought our defeating Hitler's armies made us the same, we wouldn't have cared because we knew we were in the right. We know, today, that we are not what we are called; we are what we answer to.

But you'd be the first to stand up for the kid who beats back the bully who comes for everyone's lunch money.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say antifa behavior is a "gift" when you know -- you do know -- the bullies were stopped, white supremacist parades have died down. Antifa counter-intimidations worked.

Furthermore, "everyone" can't deny that Charlottesville anti-fascist protestors proved they can win against white supremacists with their defense. That win was headlined in their local media and in national media.

Don't enlist "everyone." I doubt you know enough people to represent them. No one here has come up with a better way to counter neoNazi groups that have grown in anaerobic darkness since the Civil Rights era. The Southern Poverty Law Center has, for decades, called out for "everyone" to pay attention. Then the death threats come.

Either a united country is worth defending against Naziism or its not. It's illegal in the country of its birth. And so it should be here.

We have to try anything. Continuing to do what hasn't worked since the 1930's is the definition of insanity. We can't stand by and let bullies run the American playground. Everyone wins when everyone defends against them. We need to attack them, not each other.

I support any and all attempts to stop white supremacists. Including yours.

We must never succumb to the fearmongering false equivalencies hurled at us.

Obviously, they are trying to target large urban areas... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #1
Amen to that. ancianita Aug 2017 #2
"in cities where they know they are not welcome" FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #3
They are not welcome in Berkeley, arguably the most liberal community in the USA. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #5
Then why did the progressive (Bernie Sanders-endorsed) Mayor of Berkeley... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #4
What forms do rejections of fascism take, then? What has worked to stop its growth so far? ancianita Aug 2017 #6
"No face, no place" means that those who want to demonstrate on "our side" should not wear masks... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #9
Of course it's not difficult to understand. You can drop the shade casting. Of course I'd support it ancianita Aug 2017 #10
Noam Chompsy disagrees. the "gift" is his phraseology and he's spot-on. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #11
Noam Chomsky is wrong. Silence allows all the genocides he's ever covered. I've read him, ancianita Aug 2017 #12
Chompsy is wrong, the Mayor of Berkeley is wrong, I'm wrong, everyone is wrong... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #14
Clever by half. You don't represent everyone. Some leaders are mistaken.Chomsky is no authority on ancianita Aug 2017 #18
Explain, exactly, how people of good will have prevented the growth of 900+ fascist groups so far. ancianita Aug 2017 #13
+1000 leftynyc Aug 2017 #24
I support their cause leftynyc Aug 2017 #7
If I defend my kids from being intimidated, bullied, even hit, is my cause just? Is my due force ancianita Aug 2017 #8
Self defense, legally and morally, is about proportionally Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #16
That is a thoughtful and knowledgable response. MindPilot Aug 2017 #19
You can apply different standards but the law is the same Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #22
How many Nazis would you say are in the GOP right now? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #26
Thanks for your thoughts. It's judgment. Standing on the street in the face of hate, you can see ancianita Aug 2017 #20
What part of I'll never condone leftynyc Aug 2017 #23
Fair enough, free country. Who decides "immediate danger"? Me in my home? Or you, outside my ancianita Aug 2017 #25
Good citizens just need to stay home and tweet "resist" leftstreet Aug 2017 #15
Thanks for reading! ancianita Aug 2017 #21
Don't you know the American Left must be Ghandi crossed with MLK? maxsolomon Aug 2017 #17
Indeed. It's ugly. It's going to get uglier. We need to keep a chronology of these current clashes ancianita Aug 2017 #28
Be sure to count smashed windows and overturned newspaper boxes as "violence" maxsolomon Aug 2017 #31
LOL yeah that's what counts. Property. ancianita Aug 2017 #32
If people are walking down the streets of my city with swastikas, MarvinGardens Aug 2017 #27
I agree. Amplification by media are almost always the false equivalency source for these claims. ancianita Aug 2017 #29
It's damned sad that antifa have to check themselves with "taking a knife to a gunfight" attitude. ancianita Aug 2017 #30
Thank you, again and again, for the work you are doing on DU Coventina Aug 2017 #33
Thank you back! I'll quote my favorite TV writer, and free speech absolutist, Jenji Kohan, ancianita Sep 2017 #34
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