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because I use the phrase, doesn't mean I agree with it louis c Sep 2017 #4
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I think you bring your argument to an exteme louis c Sep 2017 #15
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With enough your rationality absolutely will go out the window mythology Sep 2017 #73
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Or you could just accept that in the modern world, phrases mean things, and learn to Ninsianna Sep 2017 #160
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Allow me... Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 #239
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Wow. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #244
No, it was your response, a rather jingoistic, egostistical western one Ninsianna Sep 2017 #261
Agreed. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #161
How do you KNOW Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2017 #227
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I understand though it's a big task if you wish the Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2017 #254
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By your own argument, isn't saying "Magic Man in the sky" offensive? Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #224
We often demand a higher standard in others than we hold ourselves to. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #264
I agree with you. This is a very old statement and your use to make a point is warranted. rustydog Sep 2017 #44
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Exactly. I agree, and it is a great way to make these "no federal help" creeps lose credibility and anneboleyn Sep 2017 #63
Thank you for getting back to the point, the hypocrisy of Cruz and the Texas repugs brush Sep 2017 #178
Exactly this. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #223
To be fair, it's a turn of phrase that drives his point. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #222
Holy shit, someone who gets it louis c Sep 2017 #249
Don't kid yourself--everyone gets it Orrex Sep 2017 #263
Can we agree at least that it was poorly worded? Orrex Sep 2017 #262
It's still insensitive. tymorial Sep 2017 #29
Not just insensitive, but flat wrong. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #128
Charles Rangel used that expression many times. I guess it goes back to a time.... George II Sep 2017 #220
There are numerous examples of language which was once socially tymorial Sep 2017 #252
For the record, I don't like it. Chemisse Sep 2017 #253
Warren is right. When you say "Just as X is true..." you're saying that X is true. Towlie Sep 2017 #36
I got your point Louis without reading too much kacekwl Sep 2017 #89
Holy Cow louis c Sep 2017 #114
I'm also an atheist. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #129
Just to point out, the full definition of "bigot" Crash2Parties Sep 2017 #144
I'm an athiest and I am not offended. I understand the point you were trying smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #148
It's a great thing that liberals are highly intelligent and not authoritarians BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #204
If you don't believe the phrase, then the "just as" doesn't work. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #179
It's meant to be used against our opponents louis c Sep 2017 #236
Even against our political opponents it's fundamentally flawed. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #238
5 Stars in the greatest page louis c Sep 2017 #241
Moving the goalposts doesn't change the worthiness of the criticisms Gore1FL Sep 2017 #251
It's not a pissing contest, at least not until you turned it into one. Orrex Sep 2017 #265
I joined this site because it is called Democratic Underground louis c Sep 2017 #269
Thank you. Solly Mack Sep 2017 #5
Agreed, the FFRF even dedicated a monument to atheist vets: beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #12
Thank you. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #43
AW man? Give it a rest? trof Sep 2017 #48
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Bingo. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #60
So you're pissed off because someone said 'there are no atheists in foxholes'? trof Sep 2017 #72
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OK, ya got me. I had to look up 'trope'. trof Sep 2017 #85
Here's another trope: people who object to bigoted Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #94
I'm pissed. Brainstormy Sep 2017 #97
False. Demonstrably false. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #130
Reminder to players in the 'Take a shot every time an atheist is offended' DU drinking game. betsuni Sep 2017 #170
Silly arguments and objections ... CCExile Sep 2017 #66
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And it appears we're to blame for Trump too. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #99
Liberals arguing inanities certainly aided in the rise of Trump. Liberal "purity tests" ... CCExile Sep 2017 #232
There ya go. trof Sep 2017 #77
or should be louis c Sep 2017 #121
The religious right believe that saying! Why pander Lars39 Sep 2017 #122
Anecdotal. Point is, the statement is FALSE. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #131
The statement is not false to those we're trying to convince. louis c Sep 2017 #218
So, the OP would have been very easy to "fix" Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #229
Here, we have an OP saying the same thing.............. louis c Sep 2017 #234
Good grief. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #256
Thanks louis c Sep 2017 #259
Not sure why you're thanking me. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #266
Indeed. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #90
Yep. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #132
Very true Blecht Sep 2017 #93
Thank you. n/t Brainstormy Sep 2017 #96
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You are kidding. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #155
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... beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #157
Agreed. Plenty of Atheists in Fox holes but onit2day Sep 2017 #201
Yep. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2017 #216
Come on Warren. Cary Sep 2017 #228
Yep! A national emergency is NO time to be a bean counter. calimary Sep 2017 #2
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I'm an agnostic, dyslexic insomniac panader0 Sep 2017 #9
There are a number of circumstances we find ourselves in... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #11
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This is a reference to an appropriate analogy related to the hypocrisy of conservatism. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #18
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I'm an atheist, and a DU member. ChazInAz Sep 2017 #33
Same, and agree. nt. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #91
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #149
I took it the way you took it. Thank you. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #45
"Hic" betsuni Sep 2017 #175
Yes, bigoted atheist trope. Take it from this vet: beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #16
It's a freakin' relatable analogy to the point of the post! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #22
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On the Front Page of DU with "recs." yallerdawg Sep 2017 #28
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It's about hypocrisy and those who practice it. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #37
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Generalites by definition don't apply to every individual. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #69
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For some, apparently not. Thank you again. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #134
Add me to the list. defacto7 Sep 2017 #124
I'm not crucifying anyone, I'm responding to the claim that this isn't a bigoted trope. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #25
Well, that's just the same as crucifying someone. Mariana Sep 2017 #158
That struck me too. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #159
So it would be okay to use a racist trope if it helps an analogy? LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #26
I'm glad you're on our side! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #27
You are NOT on my side if you are okay with this LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #41
Thank you. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #54
That right there! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #57
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Hey! Toorich Sep 2017 #182
Common, if you are going to troll at least put some effort into it. LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #207
Yes, those silly minorities, always 'raising a ruckus' about bigotry. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #51
Hello... Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 #100
Oh I remember that well. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #101
That was particularly odious. demmiblue Sep 2017 #217
" It's not an indictment of atheists. " Iggo Sep 2017 #34
+1 beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #39
Yep. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #47
"It's not an indictment of atheists." Lordquinton Sep 2017 #110
No problem here. SCVDem Sep 2017 #40
Trouble is, the initial premise is FALSE. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #133
These anti-government conservatives are often hypocrites TDale313 Sep 2017 #7
Your 100% right...and on a much smaller scale Bengus81 Sep 2017 #8
My DH used to say about Barry Goldwater: marybourg Sep 2017 #13
The atheist trope is patently untrue and so is the idea that... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #10
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Please change your OP title, it is a hateful, false, and bigoted stereotype. NT LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #21
No, I won't louis c Sep 2017 #107
Why not? LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #115
The anology is made to convince Right Wingers in a discussion louis c Sep 2017 #120
But this is not a right wing site LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #123
Bingo. If a racist trope was used to make a point would it be acceptable? beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #125
I agree. defacto7 Sep 2017 #142
My intenntion, in almost all of my posts louis c Sep 2017 #165
No worries, FWIW, I get you. A French philosopher once wrote: oasis Sep 2017 #168
Oh, ffs! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #150
I know right? It's not hard to change an offense OP! Nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #152
Especially when you're wrong (NT) louis c Sep 2017 #169
wrong about what? Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #183
So, not at all then. Iggo Sep 2017 #23
Lots of believers lose their faith in war. I also enjoy the admittance that people require lindysalsagal Sep 2017 #30
Nope. Not too liberal for me at all. ancianita Sep 2017 #32
See why we can't get anything done? Your point about republican/libertarian hypocrisy... TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #35
Could have been a win if it accused GOPers of making the stmt leftstreet Sep 2017 #38
Yes, he should change the first sentence Ligyron Sep 2017 #82
The analogy starts with an obvious untruth. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #50
But it is not stated as truth, merely an allusion leading to the truth. TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #116
Oh please give me a ing break. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #127
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You're spendin a lot of time battling that analogy. How do you feel about the point of the post? TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #117
I don't appreciate reasoning from a false premise, Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #135
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Logically speaking, there is no point of the post. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #180
Or we could listen and respond to criticism. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #98
We could also avoid being sidelined by irrelevant criticism. TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #118
Exactly nini Sep 2017 #103
Thank you! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #153
It boggles the mind really nini Sep 2017 #194
"when people were triggered into objecting to your allegory." Lordquinton Sep 2017 #111
Offensive? And you wonder why people call liberals "snowflakes"? A lot more time here was spent... TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #119
Well, if a comment starts from offensive, not to mention untrue, Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #136
Everything LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #138
Thanks. That was my interpretation of some of the comments. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #139
Yep Sugarcoated Sep 2017 #137
You're the one calling liberals names Lordquinton Sep 2017 #143
This... Myrddin Sep 2017 #210
Very True. Snackshack Sep 2017 #42
Actually, there are nothing but atheists in foxholes. stopbush Sep 2017 #46
BAM! Hell yeah! trof Sep 2017 #62
I'm not sure who told you a belief in God grants physical invulnerability... linuxman Sep 2017 #109
Isaiah 54:17 stopbush Sep 2017 #191
The day I meet actually meet an old testament adhering literalist, I'll let them know they can cross linuxman Sep 2017 #193
Kurt Vonnegut (another atheist in a foxhole) wrote in Hocus Pocus Lordquinton Sep 2017 #113
Aphorism. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #52
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Well, the aphorism in contention does not in fact state a general truth. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #58
You seem really upset Lordquinton Sep 2017 #112
That's bullshit. Iggo Sep 2017 #181
"A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse." yallerdawg Sep 2017 #184
Okay, that's enough. Iggo Sep 2017 #202
The p.c. here kills me askyagerz Sep 2017 #64
Careful. kag Sep 2017 #80
Haha no worries I'm good at dodging rocks askyagerz Sep 2017 #88
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #154
Stuff like this is why Dems don't rule the world askyagerz Sep 2017 #198
Wow. It's too bad that your excellent point is being lost on people who... kag Sep 2017 #65
triggered? Its a shitty analogy- and not true. Like attributing that "Definition of Insanity" quote Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #68
"Hey, Bartender." betsuni Sep 2017 #176
Inferring that someone is posting drunk? Lars39 Sep 2017 #209
What excellent points? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #70
Holy crap--I was wondering what was going on with this thread. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #75
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I do and I'm sure his family does as well. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #83
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Hey at least we're not the most hated religious minority in America anymore. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #87
You don't think you're over-reacting a teensy little bit? ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #102
Food for thought. Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 #104
I think that's the part that caused me to reply in the first place ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #105
With a church on every corner here in a red state, Lars39 Sep 2017 #108
Appreciate your post, especially the proper usage defacto7 Sep 2017 #141
Vehement responses? You mean to the OP? Mariana Sep 2017 #190
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Me too. I've been called 'damaged' and a 'militant' feminist before. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #151
Lord in heaven WD ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #172
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You are, of course, on the right side of this argument. pablo_marmol Sep 2017 #196
Your messaging is off, but your sentiment is right on Nevernose Sep 2017 #78
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For what it's worth WD shadowmayor Sep 2017 #199
I appreciate your rather more measured response here... kag Sep 2017 #86
Lesson: An analogy can distract from your point if the veracity of your analogy is controversial. Towlie Sep 2017 #92
75 Recs at 9:35 PM 9-3-17 louis c Sep 2017 #106
Some people rec the argument. It's not always the OP defacto7 Sep 2017 #126
That's your opinion louis c Sep 2017 #164
So if lots of people agree with you, then its ok to say something that offends people? Kentonio Sep 2017 #174
Nearly everything that is debated by anyone, offends someone louis c Sep 2017 #185
I wasn't going to post in this thread.. Kentonio Sep 2017 #197
Maybe it wasn't intentional. Mariana Sep 2017 #215
It's a time worn statement louis c Sep 2017 #247
My dad became an atheist during wwII. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #95
OP was turning a (fake) cliche on on its ear. VOX Sep 2017 #140
Thanks louis c Sep 2017 #162
uh no the op did no such thing. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #173
111 Recs louis c Sep 2017 #186
So are you now claiming that your point was that "no atheists in foxholes" is false? Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #187
I'm sure there are atheists in fox holes louis c Sep 2017 #195
So if I understand your latest explanation Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #212
To those who believe the statements. louis c Sep 2017 #214
You don't convince but you do spend most of your time defacto7 Sep 2017 #257
Most of the negative replies are from the same people louis c Sep 2017 #260
Well I'll hand you this.... defacto7 Sep 2017 #267
No. louis c Sep 2017 #268
That ought to be a bumper sticker! Nt raccoon Sep 2017 #166
as a non-believer I had to LOL at this thread. KG Sep 2017 #167
It's not what the OP intended... but it's COMEDY GOLD!! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #171
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LOL ... Yeah right. Sure. Whatever. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #243
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LOL NurseJackie Sep 2017 #250
Bam! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #177
This "conversation" over atheists in a fox hole... LakeArenal Sep 2017 #188
If you want a conversation about repukes being hypocrites... LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #208
Oh geez.... LakeArenal Sep 2017 #213
Your point is excellent and I agree with it lunatica Sep 2017 #189
Sometimes it feels like. . . ariadne0614 Sep 2017 #192
"Everyone's a Socialist during a natural disaster". orleans Sep 2017 #200
Neither statement is true, Progressive dog Sep 2017 #203
I've been in foxholes. I don't recollect any conversations about religion or spirituality. TrogL Sep 2017 #205
To be honest this is the first time liquid diamond Sep 2017 #206
+++++++++++.... JHan Sep 2017 #219
It's selfishness Renew Deal Sep 2017 #211
It's not even a "liberal" concept. It's common sense and essential to the survival of our species. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #221
I guess this atheist will have to fight the republicans without you. Iggo Sep 2017 #225
As Raphael Cruz shows, Texans are fiercely independent, with their begging hand out. They want othe keithbvadu2 Sep 2017 #226
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using an insult to make a point is probably not a good idea; find a better way. nt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #246
thanks for your advice louis c Sep 2017 #248
Did you really rec your own OP? defacto7 Sep 2017 #258
I always do louis c Sep 2017 #270
What is your proof there are no Athiests in foxholes? yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2017 #271
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