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35. Weak sauce. Making Columbus the poster boy of the "huddled masses" when in reality...

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Sat Oct 7, 2017, 09:33 PM

Oct 2017

...he was at the vanguard of conquest, genocide and slavery is about as disingenuous as it gets. Tell me, what "huddled masses" did Columbus champion? Have yo ever read translations of his journal and ship's logs? This man was no torchbearer for the downtrodden and oppressed of Europe. What his writings do reveal is a man obsessed by own greed and personal aggrandizement.

And I didn't know only Native Americans were permitted to speak out against their shabby treatment. How wonderful of you to handpick those who are permitted to speak out against the maltreatment of other human beings and who is not. You would have made a "good German" back in the 1930's & 40's. "Shush, dear, we're not Jews. It's not our place to say anything".

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Having cities named after Columbus, along with a holiday honoring him, is a national disgrace. [View all] jcmaine72 Oct 2017 OP

Columbus did all that? How long was he here? jmg257 Oct 2017 #1

So, those things are not his legacy? Can you please tell me what you think his legacy entails.... jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #5

He supposedly 'discovered' America. Though that jmg257 Oct 2017 #6

Really? He did? Was it lost? jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #7

Decades ago actually. Though I wasn't aware he enslave jmg257 Oct 2017 #8

Here are some irrefutable facts for you about Columbus that you have obviously missed: jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #9

Yes indeed - thanks.... very interesting! jmg257 Oct 2017 #10

You're welcome! jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #11

His son seems like a real dick too. jmg257 Oct 2017 #13

The genocide thing makes that article ridiculous Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #46

Smallpox, measles, a lot of stuff the indigenes had NO IMMUNITY TO. People from one sick village... Hekate Oct 2017 #60

But outside of a few rather unsuccessful attempts at using smallpox blankets mythology Oct 2017 #62

Exactly. Human history is ... human. All the good, all the bad, all the beauty, all the horror. Hekate Oct 2017 #69

It is probably impossible to spread smallpox via a blanket Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #75

If we allow our biases all relevant definitions, it seems 'discover' yet works, LanternWaste Oct 2017 #92

Unless you are native American, were it not for Columbus you would not be here question everything Oct 2017 #2

JFC, listen to yourself. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #14

It's staggers the mind the extent to which some will go to rationalize and even defend the jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #20

No, it staggersthe mind to belittle the aspirations and the hope of so many generations question everything Oct 2017 #25

Weak sauce. Making Columbus the poster boy of the "huddled masses" when in reality... jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #35

No, Columbus did not suggest the huddle masses and you know perfectly well question everything Oct 2017 #38

You seemed obsessed with my ancestry, as if that somehow refutes the facts about Columbus jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #49

So pathetic question everything Oct 2017 #71

Columbus was a slaver ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #77

And what the hell do those people have to do with Columbus? moriah Oct 2017 #90

He did not. But next waves of immigrants did question everything Oct 2017 #23

I don't know where to begin.. pangaia Oct 2017 #54

My reaction as well, "beacon of...hope?" pangaia Oct 2017 #50

No offense, but BS. Adrahil Oct 2017 #53

Randy Marsh, is that you? flvegan Oct 2017 #3

No. Agschmid Oct 2017 #4

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #51

We will not change the name of our capitol city nt doc03 Oct 2017 #12

Of course not. We wouldn't want anyone to think we'd ever do anything as declasse as not honor the.. jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #15

Did you know Russia wants to divide us? sharedvalues Oct 2017 #30

Did you know the price of chopped chicken liver in Flatbush is $14.95 per pound? jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #37

Russia wants infighting in America sharedvalues Oct 2017 #41

I think you put your finger on it. Watch this one go down swinging... Hekate Oct 2017 #56

No it's not oberliner Oct 2017 #16

Was Amerigo Vespucci innocent of similar atorcities? No. And our COUNTRY is named after him. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #17

Should rename it Erikssonia whistler162 Oct 2017 #19

Yup the Vikings were paragons of good virtue too sharedvalues Oct 2017 #31

Turtle Island Hekate Oct 2017 #63

Not dwell on? Duppers Oct 2017 #88

Should we all just slit our wrists and be done with it? sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #18

No, but you could consider a viable alternative to such a ridiculously asinine overreaction: jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #22

I don't care about this cause of the day. sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #59

Here! Here! question everything Oct 2017 #27

That's what Russia wants with their info campaigns sharedvalues Oct 2017 #33

Exactly! Because acknowledging past atrocities and showing any degree of sensitivity towards the jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #39

Russian disinformation plays both sides sharedvalues Oct 2017 #43

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #66

Unlike others. edhopper Oct 2017 #21

Thank you! jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #24

It should just be made Italian American Day Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #42

Seems like just about everythng is 'a national disgrace' for one reason or other these days. WillowTree Oct 2017 #26

Divide divide divisiveness sharedvalues Oct 2017 #28

Divisive to whom? jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #61

So self righteous Hekate Oct 2017 #64

So vacuous. jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #67

Back to Russia: see the Anti-Putin protests? sharedvalues Oct 2017 #85

Russians want us to focus on other issues than Trump and GOP sharedvalues Oct 2017 #84

Since this is a political blog, let me make a political observation... brooklynite Oct 2017 #29

It IS the kind of issue you'd amplify sharedvalues Oct 2017 #44

"sheer brutality on a global scale" left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #32

Russia wants Americans divided sharedvalues Oct 2017 #34

lol Spider Jerusalem Oct 2017 #36

We can fix that today. Democrats will bring the country together sharedvalues Oct 2017 #45

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #47

That'll happen in about 50 years or so when white people are a minority Spider Jerusalem Oct 2017 #58

Columbus Day is the day dedicated to Italian Americans Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #40

I am so sick and tired of presentism. Nt tymorial Oct 2017 #48

Like the Pledge and the Anthem, Columbus Day came much much later than 1776... Hekate Oct 2017 #52

troll harder tenderfoot Oct 2017 #55

I have a lot of conflicting thoughts... stevenleser Oct 2017 #57

Thanks, stevenleser. As I said upthread, history is complicated... Hekate Oct 2017 #68

Yes and yes. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #86

Columbus' discovery Sgent Oct 2017 #76

I live in Columbus, Ohio phleshdef Oct 2017 #65

Hear hear! Duppers Oct 2017 #72

There can be any number of italians we coudl replace him with DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #70

Everything seems to be a "national disgrace" anymore Raine Oct 2017 #73

Kinda like the Civil War monuments, uh? Duppers Oct 2017 #89

Disagree only with the extent to which you carry this. Duppers Oct 2017 #74

We have a big city literally named after a dictator. AngryAmish Oct 2017 #78

many more importants things to be concerned with these days.... beachbum bob Oct 2017 #79

This issue is way down on my to do list GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #80

Interesting point comrade Renew Deal Oct 2017 #81

He was an explorer who was a product of his times joeybee12 Oct 2017 #82

The Russians are everywhere... Vinnie From Indy Oct 2017 #83

Seems like the biggest defense to your OP is to call you a Russian and the best argument is to lunasun Oct 2017 #87

There is Columbus "the myth" and there is Columbus "the reality". guillaumeb Oct 2017 #91