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Quixote1818

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:55 PM Oct 2017

60% of guns used to commit crimes in Chicago from 2009 to 2013 originated outside of Illinois. [View all]

Love this comment on their Facebook page:

Chicago turned its city into a no-peeing section of a public pool. And then they got surrounded on all sides by a bunch of asparagus-eating yeehaws with full bladders.

Which is why every conservative who starts a gun debate with "what about Chicago" needs to shut up.





OCT. 26, 2017 AT 1:16 PM
Gun Laws Stop At State Lines, But Guns Don’t
By Jeff Asher and Mai Nguyen

Graphics by Rachael Dottle

Filed under Guns

Soon after the tragic mass shooting in Las Vegas, the White House batted down the idea of enacting more gun control with the argument that many cities with strict gun laws have high murder rates. The White House specifically pointed to Chicago and Baltimore as “some of America’s cities with the strictest gun laws” coupled with “the highest rates of gun violence.” While the statement has some merit — Chicago and Baltimore had the first and third most murders nationally in 20161 — evidence suggests a city or state’s gun laws may only be as effective as those of the state next door.

The relationship between state gun laws and the flow of firearms between states can be measured using data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which traces guns’ origins and where law enforcement recovers them. An analysis of data from 107 pairs of bordering states2 throughout the country shows a relationship between the strictness of a state’s gun laws relative to its neighbor and the number of firearms recovered3 from that neighbor.4
Jens Ludwig, a professor at the University of Chicago and director of the University of Chicago crime lab, notes that ATF data “that has been analyzed by academics across the country regularly shows that in cities that try to control gun violence by supplementing federal regulations with additional local gun laws, those laws are regularly undermined by crime guns coming in from other states.”

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More: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/?ex_cid=538fb

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We need "national reciprocity" on tough gun laws, not lax laws as gunners want. n/t Hoyt Oct 2017 #1
How about putting the teeth of Law on the thieves? AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #4
That'll help along with you gunners leaving your guns at home and stopping buying Hoyt Oct 2017 #9
Blame the robber, not the victim Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #20
Maybe so. But if you gunners would do your part, that would help too. Hoyt Oct 2017 #30
What would be "your part" ? AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #40
Actually it won't....leaving them at home. AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #23
Yeah, but every time you buy one, every time some white wing racist buys one, every time some George Hoyt Oct 2017 #31
What is "moral"..you don't care about moral..."white wingers.." AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #44
Yeah but facts don't matter to racists. Initech Oct 2017 #2
What does that mean? AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #25
No I'm saying if you present facts like this to Trumplodytes and racists, they won't care. Initech Oct 2017 #27
Except.....the underlying issue. Existing laws aren't being AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #29
Yeah, but gun ownership has a racist metric too. Hoyt Oct 2017 #33
Really...AA legal owners in Chicago are racist, Baltimore..racist AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #36
I Did Not Realize Guns Were Portable SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #3
It's already illegal to buy across state lines unless it from an FFL Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #5
The problem is that guns are easily available in Indiana Kolesar Oct 2017 #7
It's already illegal to take them into Illinois unless an FFL is used Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #10
The problem is NOT that "nobody bothers with enforcement of the laws that exist"...eom Kolesar Oct 2017 #14
Exactly what I said above Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #19
I edited in some quotes so you can see that I *refuted* you ... eom Kolesar Oct 2017 #21
And your wrong Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #22
"Enforce the laws before making any more" is a Right Wing tautology Kolesar Oct 2017 #24
"More restrictions in Indiana would make Indiana and Illinois safer." How? AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #28
Pretty straight forward Egnever Oct 2017 #34
Ban the sale of a legal product...OK.... AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #37
Time Egnever Oct 2017 #41
How that works out...perpetual Trumpanzees being in office. AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #45
You are being obtuse. Kolesar Oct 2017 #52
Being straight up honest, not obtuse...nothing coy about it either.... AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #53
We can't convince Congress to pass universal background checks ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #39
Does not need to be all guns Egnever Oct 2017 #42
No actualy we didn't.....we banned "features"...not the operation of the AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #46
Well then we could certainly ban anything but single shot weapons Egnever Oct 2017 #47
How could we do that ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #49
How? It's not an excuse....it's a fact. AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #50
Can we ban your phone data because 1st Amendment Egnever? AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #57
I didn't argue that an assault weapon ban ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #48
I wouldn't expect that to stay true if the GOP get 1 more SCOTUS pick DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2017 #56
I thought nobody was talking sarisataka Oct 2017 #55
If guns are so readily available in those other places, why are their crime rates lower? Amishman Oct 2017 #6
The crime rates in Chicago and Baltimore are not "high" because of gun control...eom Kolesar Oct 2017 #8
Exactly, they are high because of factors completely unrelated to guns Amishman Oct 2017 #11
The crime rates in Chicago and Baltimore are not "high" because possession is illegal...eom Kolesar Oct 2017 #16
Then why are so many gun crimes related to illegal guns in those cities? AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #38
It is not even all of Chicago that has a gun violence issue Not Ruth Oct 2017 #12
Is that because of "gun control"? former9thward Oct 2017 #15
No. Guns have nothing to do with the problem or solution Amishman Oct 2017 #17
Most of us grew up and lost the impulsive and violent nature. It's demographics...eom Kolesar Oct 2017 #18
What exactly do you mean by "demographics"? Paladin Oct 2017 #43
The crime rate was twice as high or worse when the baby boomers were young Kolesar Oct 2017 #51
Your being too complex for the mind of the gun prohibitionists Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #13
Are you capable of using "you're" rather than the incorrect "your"? Paladin Oct 2017 #32
So the dude who shot up last Vegas was rich Egnever Oct 2017 #35
There is no excuse for him...he was a whack job... AncientGeezer Oct 2017 #54
Yep I95 (east coast) is the "Iron Pipeline" underpants Oct 2017 #26
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