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LBM20

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Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:23 AM Nov 2017

There is a VAST difference between a comedic gag gone bad 11 years ago and a raper of kids!!! [View all]

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Enough of the god damned false equivalencies! Enough of the typical jelly spined caving! Look, Franken should NOT have done that thing in front of the camera. It was a DUMB thing to do, but we must always, always, always consider CONTEXT in these things. He was a comedian on a comedy tour. It is obvious he is not actually touching the woman. It was a staged gag for the camera 11 years ago. He was goofing around. I'm not excusing it and he should not have done it. It was very disrespectful and it was over the top. And he has SAID so.

Franken has apologized very sincerely, taken full responsibility, and welcomes an investigation. This is NOTHING like Roy Moore who has many women accusing him of very serious sexual misconduct against them when they were teens as young as 14. And then that nasty thing in Alabama is attacking the victims. The Franken matter is NOTHING like that.

Comedians naturally go over the top. Sometimes TOO far. Kathy Griffin went over the top with the Trump severed head gag for the camera. But this is in the context of comedy. She apologized and has expressed regret. But she was not actually trying to threaten Trump.

TIMES CHANGE. What may have been more acceptable as a gag 11 years ago would not be now. Just as another poster says, SO many things on television that were totally acceptable many years ago would not be now, such as how women characters in shows like The Honeymooners, I Love Lucy, and All in the Family were often portrayed. It was very typical to call women "broads" in those times. From shows to All in the Family in the 70's to LA Law in the 80's, the "N" word appeared in certain situations. Comedians like Richard Prior used the "N" word all the time in their acts back in those days. Look at Andrew Dice Clay and his form of comedy in the 80's and early 90's. My goodness, schools like mine in the northeast had "Slave Day" as a fundraiser back in the 60's and 70's. For example, the high school juniors might "buy" the high school seniors for a day and make boys wear dresses, sing silly songs, etc. No one thought of this as a bad thing or that it had anything to do with the terrible legacy of black slavery in past centuries. It was just a fun and silly fundraiser. We also didn't wear seatbelts or bike helmets and rode around in the back of trucks. These things were so common. Today we do not do them. TIMES CHANGE.

So enough of the false equivalencies. We have "PUSSY GRABBER" in the White House. What happened to THAT outrage?? Those who voted for Trump did so AFTER that and all his accusers came forward. Maybe it's time to bring all THAT back up again.

So Franken made a mistake and he needs to make amends. But my god, it is NOTHING like what Moore OR Trump has done. Progressives, don't be taken in here. Don't be WEAK. Don't get sucked into ANYMORE false equivalencies (i.e. "Hillary is as bad Trump." ) And don't let the right wingers get away with being hypocrites AGAIN.

You have Right Wingers all over the Congress and all around the country standing with "PUSSY GRABBER" and singing his praises. My goodness, if he took a shit in their mouths they would call it ice cream. Then they have the gall to go after Franken as they are doing. So if they want to do that, then let's start playing the "PUSSY GRABBER" tape again 24/7. They HAVE NO CASE!!

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We really need to stop comparing the two. You are 100% correct. secondwind Nov 2017 #1
She was there only because her work included nude modeling Cicada Nov 2017 #2
A kiss for a stage act, remember that. Not saying he should have done it. But this is chicken LBM20 Nov 2017 #3
Only Women Bleed hexola Nov 2017 #4
KISS used to encourage their audiences to get high. NOW they tell them NOT to drive LBM20 Nov 2017 #5
The woman claims Franken forcefully kissed her without her consent oberliner Nov 2017 #6
The kiss is the real offense - the photo is sort of backfiring hexola Nov 2017 #7
The story is the key. liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #10
If It was without consent then why does she say this .... I said OK Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #16
The difference isn't as important as the optics dpd3672 Nov 2017 #8
If you think liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #11
And Trump is on tape talking about pussy grabbing. PLAY IT AGAIN SAM. The Right has NO CASE! LBM20 Nov 2017 #14
"Times Change" is not really a good argument oberliner Nov 2017 #9
Times *do* change, but 11 years isn't that long ago. LisaM Nov 2017 #12
Context is always very important. There are levels of things and there is ZERO equivalency between LBM20 Nov 2017 #15
Why is this about COMPARING sexual misconduct toward women? Equinox Moon Nov 2017 #13
All mistreatment of ANYONE is wrong. But there are DEGREES of things. I am talking about LBM20 Nov 2017 #17
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