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In reply to the discussion: If Franken is forced out the Democrats are stupid and it's hopeless [View all]LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)What have you seen that's given you HOPE that we will have fair elections in 2018?
I've seen not a lot.
Yes, Dems did well in Virginia. They have a Dem governor. And next year, they'll be going to paper ballots and a Dem Gov./Lt. Dem Gov. will be replacing the departing ones. Yes, that's a wonderful improvement and a great victory in Virginia. In NC, there is a Dem governor in place, and a Jim Crow era voter-suppression law died as the Supreme Court would not hear N.C.vs N.C. NAACP ..... case earlier this year. But, did that Jim Crow really die? Chief Justice Roberts wrote a brief opinion strongly implying that laws like this one could survive review, and it'll be before a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, and I don't trust Goursuch as far as I can throw a semi-truck. It's a wait and see concerning NC down the road. As for Texas , courts had ruled that there were voting districts which were drawn in a racist way that hurt a certain part of the population (We know which part of the population those laws hurt) which had to be redrawn by 2018's mid-terms. However, thuglican Gov. Abbot signed a law which once AGAIN will make it difficult for "certain parts of the population" to vote. Those rulings in Texas are so back and fourth/up and down that it's difficult to keep up. Suffice it to say however, that Texas won't be going Dem anytime soon if thuglicans have anything to do with it, and if voter ID laws are strictly enforced like they will be. The current Abbot regime of course doesn't believes in fair voting rights in Texas, because if they did they'd see to it that minorities, the poor, the elderly (Who may not have birth certificates to get ID's) had access to the voter ID's that you need in order to vote there.
Also, there's a huge ruling coming from a right-winged Supreme Court which will more than likely give Wisconsin thuglicans the go ahead to resume their gerrymandering ways, which will take Wisconsin OUT of Dem's hands for the unforeseeable future. Chalk Wisconsin up for thuglicans.
Now, we know that thuglicans WILL continue on with Citizens United. Voter-crosschecking & Voter Id'ing, ANY form of voter-suppression that they can come up with "off the chain" in 2018 to stop Dems votes from counting and to stop them from voting period. We know that our voting machines can be comprised/hacked. That they malfunction. Are not maintained thanks to tRumputin getting rid of laws maintaining them. We also know that the ruskies will continue helping thuglicans and spreading the seeds of discord into our elections. In what way this next time, who knows? I've seen NO upside to moral purity at this time, especially since thuglicans control the collection of votes and of tallying of them. Do you really trust them to count all Dem votes fairly or at ALL? Do you trust tRump, Kris Kobach, Bannon, Roger Stone and that cabal of cheating thugs to be fair to Dems? Do you think thuglicans want to give up all that power to pass tax cuts and get rid of Social Security and Medicare?
Dems can do all the moral high-grounding they want to which they think will get them the Senate, House and Presidency. But, with thuglicans firmly in place and putting their WHOLE bodies on the voting scales, I know whose clock will be getting cleaned by whom in 2018 and 2020. That's if we have elections in 2020. My friend laughs at me when I say that to him, but when I ask him if he ever though that the ruskies would be interfering into our elections to the point of helping tRumputin earn his illegitimate presidential win over Hillary Clinton, he stops laughing. I'll be going Independent in January 2018. I'm tired of watching Dems play Charlie Brown to thuglicans Lucy.